The problem isn't just that the team is bad, it's that the whole organization is in disarray. The Browns had to promise Kokinis final authority on roster moves to get him to leave Baltimore, but the fact that Mangini was hired before him showed clearly who had more influence in the organization. Rumor has it that the two have been clashing since day 1 (Mangini not getting along with someone? Shocking, I know.) No winner could ever be built under that system.
The problem is the team hasn’t gotten any better under Manretard – if anything regressed. ‘Rebuilding’ is just an excuse to go out and suck total ass and it should never be an acceptable one. ManImbecile is a horrible coach; he always has been despite his lucky start with Herms team. I hope when they fire Manstupid they don’t tell anyone at any of the press conferences…just let it be a surprise when the game starts.
I actually think Mangini will succeed at being a coach at sometime in this league. I may be in the minority, but I believe he will. Coaching for the Browns is a lose-lose situation for anyone at this point.
Frankly, after the way that he sold out the Patriots with Spygate I was surprised that he even got a second chance as a head coach. Now he's gotten his GM ousted after only 8 horrible games--nobody is giving Mangini a 3rd chance, not any time soon at least.
the funniest thing about this is that bernie kosar has been brought in as a consultant. i would pay to see him and mangini go at it. jil
"Mangini handpicked him to be the team's GM -- both began their careers in Cleveland in the early 1990s when Bill Belichick was coaching the Browns." Do we really need to know anything else about this situation? Randy Lerner hired Eric Mangini right after he had been fired by the Jets for allowing the team to collapse at the end of the season last year (among other things.) Apparently Mangini then brought Kokinis on board in a bass-ackwards move from a hierarchical standpoint. I just realized that the parallels between how the Browns hired Mangini and how the Jets hired Rich Kotite are staggering. In both cases a coach not highly regarded around the NFL was suddenly fired by the supposedly up and coming team he had just let collapse and then almost immediately hired by a sad sack underachieving franchise with a QB controversy brewing. In both cases the hire was directed by the owner because he saw something he liked in the coach and decided to ignore his most recent results. In both cases the franchise collapsed into a pathetic pile of dung almost immediately out of the starting gate. Who would have thought that Eric Mangini was the second coming of Rich Kotite?
Lerner is going to have to sell the team or throw a record-breaking amount of money at somebody to get them to come in and fix the mess. Mangini didn't just try to fix the culture, he tried to olibiterate it and replace it with something else. The vision I have of Mangini's ideal team culture is like a POW camp with guard towers and machine guns and searchlights. Every now and then a desperate player makes a break for the wire but most of the players are tunneling their way out slowly undermining the foundation of the team until it collapses. Put the team in question in North Korea and Mangini would be very successful with that approach. Dear Leader... Edit: on your first point, yeah it's hard to imagine anybody with any heft willing to be interim captain on the Titanic.
it's not just that they aren't winning, they are absolutely one of the worst teams in recent memory. they can't even move the ball, which isn't a result of just a lack of talent on the field, it reveals a lack of talent on the sidelines. at some point, a good coaching staff can rattle off a series of plays that keeps the defense off balance, and execute a scoring drive. the Brown's are simply incapable of that, and it starts on the sidelines with the coaches preparation and abilities. and the defense isn't any better. the only team that couldn't core on them was the Bills, and they can't score on anyone.
Someone on here (NDMick, maybe?) has been saying for months that Mangini is Cleveland's Kotite, so he deserves credit for seeing it right away.
I imagine if Mangini gets to 4-5 wins by the end of this year, he'll keep his job, save someone like Cowher says he'll take it. They've got a favorable bad schedule, so it's possible... Monday, November 16 vs BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN 8:30 PM Sunday, November 22 @ Detroit Lions CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, November 29 @ Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, December 6 vs SAN DIEGO CHARGERS CBS 4:05 PM Thursday, December 10 vs PITTSBURGH STEELERS NFLN 8:20 PM Sunday, December 20 @ Kansas City Chiefs CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, December 27 vs OAKLAND RAIDERS CBS 1:00 PM Sunday, January 3 vs JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS CBS 1:00 PM There are 4-5 possible wins in the last 8 games.
yep, it was me. my hunch came only with the fact that Herm was close to doing it in KC, but he got one playoff appearance out of Vermeil's roster just before that team got old and decimated. Mangini inherited a bad team he was ultimately going to make worse. its scary to know that the Jets can have the results they do each year with such bad coaching, but with great coaching they'd obviously be a highly successful team - the roster is good enough.
Mangina pulls another victim under the bus. Anyone who doesn't think he's been calling the shots is kidding themself. I still can't believe they hired him.
He's done after the year. The only reason he is staying is that a coaching change at this point is irrelevant. That team is bereft of talent and nobody wants to be put in that type of no-win position right now. It's career suicide. It's imbecile Mangini's bed and he is going to lay in it till the end of the season.
Ok, so here's the second question: who does Lerner go out and hire now to come in and be his Parcells and save him from the embarrassment of completely torpedoing the franchise? It is not going to be Bill Cowher, because he's smart enough not to try to compete with the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals in his second incarnation. Who is going to be the guy trying to part the Red Sea and bring the Browns to the Promised Land?
If Lerner lets Mangini have another season he's just hurting himself more. The Browns will probably be looking for a QB in the 1st round next year. You can't let Mangini make that choice and then get fired after 2010. That's like franchise suicide.
I've been saying Manidiot is a complete piece of shit since 2007 and wanted the Jets to fire him during the 2007 season. I took a lot of abuse for that.
