OLB Prospect I Like Who Isn't a Big Name

joeklecko · Feb 5, 2012

Green Hurricane said: ↑

It's madness, absolute madness. Firstly he was kicked off the team at Texas Tech, so who knows what kind of character he has. Saying he has high character is like saying he is going to be an NFL star from a highlight video... We also have NO idea about his exact size, nor do we his speed because it's all relative to the competition.

He isn't physical. He makes some nice hits, but when he's playing against SWAC skill players he should physically dominate those guys, they're not pro players. He SHOULD have high sack/TFL numbers too, considering he was once a FBS player as well. What you're not getting is that if you put one of these other guys at that level, he'd probably be even more dominant. As sloppy as those tackles look against Hamilton's limited skills, imagine if they had to take on Courtney Upshaw? Or Vinny Curry, who devastated MAC competition? These guys would be setting records.

I really need to re-emphasize the ridiculous base of this discussion, which is a random highlight video. There are actual scenes in there that look to be taken with a VHS recorder from the stands of a high school stadium.

That said, I'll play the game, and go through that video again, in mind numbing detail:

- First thing that needs to be pointed at is how bad these tackles are. Play 4, around 1:13, watch the tackle, he basically lunges off the snap. Doesn't move his feet, just falls forward.

1:46, that should never happen, and would not happen at a major college level. No DE should ever go untouched by a tackle.

2:14 he gets stoned by the tackle who actually figured out that Hamilton only has speed. Got his hands on him and he was done.

2:25 This is the third sack against this guy, probably one of the worst collegiate tackles I've ever seen. His feet are miserable, and he basically takes two awful steps before lunging like a dying manatee. I just looked him up, he's a RS Freshman backup tackle for Southern.

2:32- Hamilton makes a play, but the QB is a moron, DE rushes upfield on an option run play you hand it off to the back, that's JV high school football IQ.

He's left unblocked for about a minute in here.

4:35- GOOD GOD. The tackle actually chases him into another gap!! I've never seen that before. Never. You have to be kidding. This kid is going from high school football to the NFL.

That's two times through, and he showed nothing but speed and agility. Like I said before, an in space LB? Maybe. ILB in a 34? It's possible. But a 34 OLB? Never, not unless he's a very, VERY late pick that can hang out on the PS for a while. Saying he's got potential 1st round ability from that clip is just what I opened this post with, madness.

And these days the OTs are FAR different than what they were in the 80s, and on a related note, PLEASE tell me you just didn't throw in a LT comparison for this kid. LT was as strong as he was fast, and he was playing in an era that let him speed around slow, plodding tackles. These days with the athleticism that exists on the OL he would have used his strength more. When LT hit a lineman he went backwards, there was no stoning LT at the LOS or keeping a pocket, all the OT could do was hope he could hold on for three seconds at a time. Plus they had been blocking LBs with RBs bac then, he pretty much ended that forever.
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The only "madness" is what is spewing forth from your mouth. Your reaction is way over the top. Stop foaming at the mouth. You know NOTHING about this kid, yet you are ripping him apart. Get a grip on your ego. It's funny that most of us on another Jets' site think he's an excellent prospect, but I'm sure you don't care about that. How about the fact that the Jets are scouting him? Guess you know more than the Jets Scouting Dept., huh (or at least think you do)?

The link I just supplied has an article that interviews Hamilton. He was a walk on at Texas Tech, but was evidently getting some kind of financial help and as Hamilton tells it the coach (Rick Leach) couldn't afford to pay the kid any more. Just to show you what kind of questionable character he has. He didn't go back to Dallas and pout or get in trouble. He went back to a community college, didn't play sports and focused on academics so that he could stay eligible to play in his remaining years of eligibility. He sounds like a very humble, decent kid.

Limited skills my ass. That's your opinion.

The only way Upshaw would dominate at that level would be because he was bigger or stronger than the OL. He's certainly too slow and doesn't have half the quickess and agility this kid has.

Fatman&Robin · Feb 5, 2012

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Yeah I'm not arguing with you, but most of those guys the Giants have were acquired over a series of drafts, you cant look to get as many talented pass rushers as the Giants have in one draft
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Wasn't saying that. Just saying that Giants have a great pass rush. We need to start drafting pass rushers...we haven't drafted one since Gholston in 08.

Green Hurricane · Feb 5, 2012

joeklecko said: ↑

The only "madness" is what is spewing forth from your mouth. Your reaction is way over the top. Stop foaming at the mouth. You know NOTHING about this kid, yet you are ripping him apart. Get a grip on your ego. It's funny that most of us on another Jets' site think he's an excellent prospect, but I'm sure you don't care about that. How about the fact that the Jets are scouting him? Guess you know more than the Jets Scouting Dept., huh (or at least think you do)?

The link I just supplied has an article that interviews Hamilton. He was a walk on at Texas Tech, but was evidently getting some kind of financial help and as Hamilton tells it the coach (Rick Leach) couldn't afford to pay the kid any more. Just to show you what kind of questionable character he has. He didn't go back to Dallas and pout or get in trouble. He went back to a community college, didn't play sports and focused on academics so that he could stay eligible to play in his remaining years of eligibility. He sounds like a very humble, decent kid.

Limited skills my ass. That's your opinion.

The only way Upshaw would dominate at that level would be because he was bigger or stronger than the OL. He's certainly too slow and doesn't have half the quickess and agility this kid has.
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Pardon me, Mrs. Hamilton, but I'm sure that even your son would understand that you're WAY OVER THE TOP beliefs about the young man are ridiculous.

- The Jets FO is scouting him? OH SHIT, I must be wrong then. I know that teams only scout players they plan on spending their 1st round pick on. Well played, Aristotle.

- Get a grip on my ego? No offense, but I'm just echoing the sentiments of everyone else that has an idea of what they're doing. Consider me the Greek chorus, merely informing you of your foolish ways.

- Upshaw is "certainly too slow".... Yep, he's certainly too slow to be a gimmick DE in a heavy option league that has very little discernible NFL talent. While he might not have the quickness of that overgrown WR running around the OTs like they're fat, slow fire hydrants, the fact that he's, as you yourself just stated, "bigger and stronger" than the tackles Hamilton's facing is all you really need to know about competition.

- "It's funny that most of us on another Jets' site think he's an excellent prospect, but I'm sure you don't care about that. " That's not funny, that actually make sense. For you to be so bold in your incredible misconception of the guy's skills, there would have to be even more misguided souls pushing you on.

REVISion · Feb 5, 2012

I really don't see where this "Upshaw is too slow" thing comes from. He might not be the fastest dude in the world, but I've seen great closing speed from him when he gets close to making a tackle. Seems plenty fast enough from the tape I've watched.

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