he had already caught the ball well before being down by contact. possession was already established so it couldn't be in an incomplete pass. the fact that you are even trying to argue that was a reasonable alternative shows how ignorant you are of the actual scenario or the rules.
Yeap I am ignorant of the scenario as I didn't sit there and watch it replayed ad nauseaum during the game.
1.Thank you Johnny for the time you saved me. That is exactly the correct description of why the call was overturned. Once Branch is on the ground and is touched the play is OVER. That fact that AFTER he was touched, he started tomove the ball to his other hand and it gets knocked out is irrelevant. The play was over. As far as the other calls went. 2. I will agree that the call on Revis was bad, if Jet fans will agree that Revis gets away with at least one, which when he is clearly seen pulling on Welker's shirt 10 yds downfield in that replay CBS used to show Revis covering Welker. You can't bitch about one without at least acknowledging the other. 3. On the illegal contact vs Hernandez - the Jets caught a break on that one. Not only did the DB hit Hernandez 15 yds down the field, he also hit him well before the ball got there. That COULD have easily been called a PI penalty 4. The Jets also got a break on the Pats last FG. Cromartie hit clearly Welker past 5 yds and he knew it too. When the play ended Cromartie goes to his knees expecting the flag he caused 5 The Jets wound up with 19 more yds of penalties than the Pats. But you also have to figure that the Pats had the ball 20 more times. 6. The call on Plex was absolutely correct his toe was on the line. In what world do Jet fans not get that. BTW - there is also a question of whether Plex had control of the ball all the way to the ground. CBS never showed a view of that, because the point was moot when his toe hit the white. There are always some questionable calls every game on both sides. This season it seems like there are more of them. The Pats had 60 yds of penalties as well, and only 2 fewer than the Jets. I don't know but there are a lot of Jet fans who take referee paranoia to a new level. There is never a penalty call on the Jets that should be, and every penalty called on the other team should be ignored, because it lessens the feeling of persecution Jet fans seem to want to feel Bottom line the Pats held serve tonight. But they cannot win the set unless they beat the Jets in NJ. See you guys in a month
true, and i have the ticket and watch other games when the jets are not on. the other games have garbage officially blown calls also. good teams can overcome bad calls.
What happens when you are touched down with possesion of the ball and a knee on the ground? you are down by contact. Stop being foolish. It wasn't a fumble. And if he was bobbling the ball then it wasn't a catch. either way the Pats maintained possesion of the ball.
The knee was down and he was touched. NOT a fumble. The Patriots get calls, but that isn't why we lost.
The PI on Strickland, the "late" hit on Welker, the two missed delay of games in the span of 5 plays , one where the flag was thrown but picked up. No , I'm sorry you can't convince me the only bad call was on Revis. The Branch call was almost the same exact play as the Cotchery "FUMBLE" against Denver two years ago, on the ground and touched which forced the fumble. At least in this case we saw the ball clearly moving. Ask yourself the question ,if that was Plax who fumbled the ball there , does it get reversed ??
Seems like every one agrees with the bs calls on Revis. Refs also blew the delay of game call, actually there was a flag and it was disregarded. Now the tricky play where Branch fumbles the ball... Yes if the knee is down, and the player in POSSESSION of the ball is touched, the play is over. HOWEVER the problem is branches knee touched ground and FUMBLES the ball BEFORE he is TOUCHED! Therefore the refs had the correct call only to reverse it to the wrong call. Please watch the replay and notice branch attempt to switch the ball from one hand to another. The ball is loose before C. Pace makes contact with Branch. A review must show conclusive evidence! Even the Plaxico's catch on sideline is not conclusive, and debateable. The replay seems like he MAY have been out of bounds by an inch, but its totally unconclusive. The should have said he did not have possession of the ball, that would of been more digestable. IMHO... I still think after all the bad play and shady calls we stuck around. This shows me that the team is in a funk but will snap out of it soon, so the Fins and Chargers better watch out
every jet game is clockwork with the defensive penalties. at least 2 or 3 times a game they're going to be in a 3rd and 10+ on D. they're going to get the stop. the WR is going to ask for the flag, the ref will give it to him. automatic 1st down. KILLER. we have to lead the league in this over the past few years. we also seem to get very few pass INT's go our way on offense.
100% right... The issue here that also adds to the confusion is that he was transfering the ball to the other hand so it looked like he was "bobbling" it. Fact is, transfering hands is part of the possession. He did this while his knee was down and contact was made to his hand before the ball was knocked loose so the Ruling of Down by Contact is correct. That said, -Sanchez was hit in the head yet again, -The Pats O-line was TACKLING our D-linemen on several occasions -The Revis penalty was BS, and no, not because it's Revis... ftr, in the gamethread I posted they would get a penalty called when it was 3rd and long.... Guess what happened next?..that was the 1st P.I. Also, I rewatched one KR several times to look for the penalty they called on #88... there was no penalty I could see.
Ravens game was bullshit. Running into the kicker, Ravens lowering helmets into the back of Sanchez. This game had some f'ed up calls, but we could of easily won this game.
Getting hit in the head is not an automatic penalty this year. It has to be a forcible blow to the head.
One thing that did piss me off today and I'd like to see something done about by the league was the number of players trying to officiate the game. I got very fucking bored of watching Patriots players run up to the refs throwing imaginary flags; Brady giving the zebra on the line mouthfuls of abuse for not throwing a flag for his receiver running full pace into a Jets DB in the end zone showed a disgraceful lack of sportsmanship. I'm sure the Jets are not immune to it either, but the zebras already have a difficult enough job with 70,000 people screaming for a flag every time the home team makes an incomplete pass or gives up a forty yard run through the box. They shouldn't also have to deal with a bunch of helmeted neanderthals yelling their opinions from four feet away. In soccer, asking for a yellow card to be given to an opposing player is punishable by a yellow card for the player doing the appealing; I'd like to see an automatic ten yard penalty assessed against any player doing the same in the NFL.
but all the other ones you agree with...good to see. btw, that's if it's a graze or light touch of the helmet...this was beyond that.
Exactly correct. The fact that he was trying to make a football move is irrelevant. He had possession and his knee was down when he was touched. End of play. Had his "football move" been successful and Branch went in to score, I'm sure the Jets fans who believe it was a bogus call would be singing a different tune.
no, Branch clearly didn't lose the ball until after he was touched, and replay showed that conclusively. same with Burress, the tip of his foot clearly was on the line. it was conclusive.
Great idea I'd be all for that. Only the captains should be talking to the refs as it is. I'd be all for a penalty for arguing with the refs on the field. It seems like there is hardly an incomplete pass that doesn't have some WR looking for a flag. It really irritates me tool.
