I disagree. Financial management and evaluation is the single hardest part of the job. Everybody is a scout these days
So we should just talk same shit without even knowing the person capabilities or giving him a chance to prove them on the job. Yeh….thats the proper way
Well, welcome to the Jets Darren, all is well. All you need to do is figure out what to do with AR, draft a franchise QB sooner than later, while faced on day one with a limited cap of 26M, with 23 unrestricted free agents, 6 of which are starters. Piece of cake.
Alright, glad Mougey is official. I never had a clear preference at GM other than Halaby, and I won't pretend to know much about the non-Halaby candidates, but Mougey seems pretty good overall. I like that he's young - those guys tend to be inherently more fluent in analytics which we've sorely lacked. Next big domino to fall is OC. If we get Caley or Kubiak, I'll consider this hiring cycle largely a win. Still don't love Glenn, and it's stunning we've gone former DC yet again, but I'll be happy overall if we add Caley or Kubiak. First order of business for Glenn needs to be getting as many additional offensive minds in the building as possible.
GMs are most of the time 1st time GMs, they rarely get a second life. Coaches do get 2 lives, but 1st time GM is definitely not a mistake. I have no issues with 1st time HC either. A lot of successful coaches in the League are 1st timers and I do hope Glenn will be one of them. Where I have an issue is that they did not interview a single qualified offensive candidate, regardless of former or 1st time HC status. I get it Ben Johnson said no, but Monken, Coen, Brady, Kingsbury, McCarthy could have been serious candidates for the job, and we haven't even talked to ANY of them. Did all of them say no? It's not impossible, as usually offensive HC candidates like to see a good QB on the roster, but all of them? And even then, Coen said no to Khan at first, but Khan changed his mind by firing a GM. Of course I understand it is much easier to fire a GM than present a situation with a good QB, but still none of these guys could be convinced to even talk to us? I think the more likely explanation is that Woody just generally prefers guys with defensive back ground - hard nosed tough guys, grinders, etc, vs offensive innovators. I am convinced if we could not get Glenn, next on the list would be Flores, which while he was a former HC, I prefer Glenn over him. So, I think with Woody at the helm, and Vrabel always going to NE, Glenn was the best possible outcome. The biggest thing now is the OC and also OL coach. This is where we struggled the most last two years. And of course after that - QB.
I agree with your point, but Mougey might still be the right guy for you. Cap Management should be a secondary party of building the team. Important, because it helps you identify where your resources should be spent, and a creative cap person can somehow manufacture the ability to get talented players who are being released or traded. Baltimore and KC seem to be able to fit anybody who is willing to come there under the cap. Even something like getting out of Russell Wilson's crazy deal - need a smart cap guy to manage that. But it appears to me that talent evaluation is far and away the biggest weakness. Having said that Denver has had some pretty impressive recent drafts. Last few years they got some real good players. Nix appears to be the real deal and he wasn't a slam dunk pick. So maybe we'll get the talent guy here, who is also smart with the cap.
Cleveland tried that with Sashi Brown. Went 4-47 in three years. No thanks. Things really could be worse.
Right…this is how I feel as well…it’s criminal that we didn’t even interview in person any of those offensive guys…they ALL should have been interviewed…and even with the rumors that Ben Johnson said he wasn’t interested through back channels, I think we STILL should have put in the interview request and show the team and the fans that we ARE trying to find the best…if he says no to the request, well fine then it sucks and you take the black eye but at least the onus is on HIM and not on us. And honestly, Woody should eat his fucking ego and take a hard look at why guys like that say no….but there is no valid reason I can think of whey we didn’t interview most if not all of those guys on your list…Johnson, Coen, Kingsbury, McCarthy, Monken, Brady. Woody is a fucking idiot and his ego won’t let him make the call and get rebuffed…he doesn’t want the embarrassment so he doesn’t ask. But if you don’t ask then you never know. He’s acting like a fucking child… I have no idea if Glenn will be good or not. I like the intangibles that I’ve heard about, but I am over the first time DC hire route…this is what we do literally every time except Gase and the results have not been good outside of 2 years with Rex. In over a decade. If Woody had half a fucking brain he’d stop and think about that and say hey, maybe we should change our approach. But no. Here we go again…. Anyway, a bit off topic as this is the GM thread, and on that, I have no knowledge of this new guy…hope he does well…I like that he’s young if that also means he’s innovative and more apt to lean into some of the newer trends like analytics, but until we hear him talk about his vision for the team and more importantly, until we see what his decisions are on key players and how he approaches the cap and free agency and the draft, I won’t really know much concrete…
Yup I think the likelier explanation is that the offensive guys know you need a real QB to win and we haven’t had one since Pennington (outside of that one year with Fitz in 2015) so they don’t seriously consider us, whereas the defensive guys think they can still win with Ground and Pound and strong defense and ball control and keep it close until the 4th quarter…all that bullshit. I’m sure they tell Woody don’t worry about the QB…we’ll build a defense
No indication on that either way. Looks like his biggest strength is being a good judge of talent, scouting background, former College QB/WR and was on the NFL teams for a couple of off-seasons, more of a traditional football background. He is young, so hopefully he does understand the value of analytics in modern game, but this remains to be seen. Maybe some of these Jets beat reporters that like to shit on the team citing anonymous sources can actually ask a good question like that during the presser tomorrow. It just that every hire he has made was like that for whatever reason, so it was overly optimistic to expect anything different. Gase was Chris's doing, and again went with an offensive guy who sucked for previous 4 years on offense, not someone who actually had recent success there, which is what I wanted to see them try. Be that as it may, the hope always was that Woody accidentally stumbles into someone good. That is still the hope for the guys he just hired, maybe they can deliver the goods...
Could be a combination of both. Offensive candidates not liking the spot that much due to lack of a QB and Woody gravitating to old school defense wins championship mindset and not really trying that hard to get them. Whatever it is, we will need a QB to win consistently. Otherwise it will be the same exact story again and again. Mooge has a difficult task on his hands to find one without really great resources to do it at this time. And on a team that needs to win now to break the 14 year play-off drought, by far the highest in sports.
