The Jets have no qb on the roster with NFL credentials other than Sanchez who's apparently hurt and can't start week one. You appear to be missing that point. As to your assumption about my intelligence regarding this issue, it appears to mirror your basic argument on this issue. You're simply wrong in both cases, although I may be smarter than you on the issue?
On this issue you're not smart though. If it was another team giving a bad college QB a shot based on a month's play against backups and forklift drivers you'd be all over them, arguing rightly that they'd lost track of their objectives and were following the path of "ooooh shiny". If the Jets had no other suitable prospects on the roster then giving Simms a shot might be the right answer, although if they had no other suitable prospects on the roster firing everybody involved in creating that situation would be a better first solution. If Geno Smith and Greg McElroy are both hurt and cannot play then sure give Simms a chance until one of them is healthy. He won't do anything with that chance most likely but what are your options with no other healthy QBs? If Geno Smith is healthy and the Jets put Simms on the field the odds are pretty good somebody should get fired for making that decision. Neither of those guys is likely to be a huge factor in helping the team win this year but at least with Geno Smith the Jets are learning something in the process, positive or negative. With Matt Simms the only thing the Jets are likely to learn is that you should not give bad college QB's an invite to training camp or a position on your practice squad.
If Healthy, Sanchez starts. #2 Geno #3 Simms IR Greg or Geno starts #2 Simms Sanchez injured IR Greg Are there any other permutations?
Boy, some of you people just DO NOT GET IT!!!!! College means jack ass squat right now! SQUAT!!!! By some of your criteria Joey Harrington, Jamarcus Russel, Couch, Akili Smith, Tim Tebow....ALL those guys should be hall of famers!!!!!!!! By your criteria Kurt Warner should be a shit sack. Yeah...you can bark up the tree about odds all you want but let me tell you some odds I know. Geno Smith not withstanding, the NY Jets have NOT drafted a top flight QB in DECADES!!!!!!! Those are some odds I know...and the odds are, if I'm a betting man in Vegas, is Geno Smith will be another shit sack.... Now, I'm not ready to put him there. He needs a chance just like everyone else. But his chance needs to come later when he's ready. He's not ready.
nobody is claiming that Simms should start ahead of even a proven average NFL QB. unfortunately for the Jets the choice is between a highly touted college QB who hasn't looked very good and an undrafted QB who has looked better, albeit against an inferior level of competition. both are unknown on the NFL level, so how do you decide between the two? performance can be the only criteria, and Simms has exceeded Smith in that regard. we can speculate whether Simms will play comparably against NFL starters, but you can't simply dismiss him in that regards and say Smith will do better simply because he was more highly regarded coming into the NFL. and any argument of Smith having a higher ceiling or is the better long-term answer is simply speculation and a repercussion of the media attention he has received up to this point, creating the image of him in our minds of a legitimate NFL prospect, and the lack of attention on Simms as a long shot.
If there was a truly open competition for QB Simms would have gotten 1st team reps in a preseason game, he didn't.
Thanks. And after thinking more about it myself, both you and Biggs now have me teetering on the fence about this.
I think that is debatable. As we got close to the draft and more and more started coming out I think his "highly touted" was not so much. This was why he dropped to where he did. His handling of the situation at the draft pretty much confirmed what many people thought. It is also not like he came from an elite program either...W. Virginia will never be confused with Alabama...that's for sure. That not withstanding...I admire how he practiced through the injury and there has been plenty I've seen to like about the kid. He deserves a chance. But, let's make sure he gets the PROPER chance. That is NOT to put him on the field until he's ready. Not only will the team suffer but the kid could get hurt...seriously. Maybe he will be the next coming of someone special...maybe not. What is blatantly clear is Smith failed against similar competition that Simms excelled at. Smith played quite a bit against the Giants 2nd string group and looked no better than he did against the first string team. Simms came in and lit up the 2nd string group and then subsequently the 3rd's. Simms showed a command of the huddle...Geno did not. Simms showed decisive decision making...Smith did not. Listen...this is beyond a lame "beating the dead horse" argument at this point. If you can't admit that Simms was the most productive QB this preseason then that's on you. Believe what you want...it doesn't change facts. If you want to start Geno Smith because he was drafted higher and had more wins in college as opposed to what you have seen on an NFL playing field...that's on you. The last time I checked, 3rd stringers on an NFL team are head and shoulders above your average college player so infer what you want from that. If you are clairvoyant enough to know Simms is going to fail because he had a supposed substandard college career can you please put the powerball numbers in an instant message to me so we can split the big jackpot. I roll with what I have seen lately. Not what happened a year ago at a different level of football. I'm a right here, right now guy...
Oh come on Brad...stop with the "dont compare him to Brady" nonsense. First off, nobody is claiming he is Brady and to defend Bradys college career that he showed potential still is flat out nonsense. Brady was a round away from not being picked by one NFL team. Not one. And like the negative posters that love to say the Jets will never win a superbowl, the odds are in your favor BIG TIME that Simms will never be a decent NFL qb. With that said, this bullshit about posting all of the great preseasons past players have had and the layed and egg in real time is without merit because if bothered to step back and forget about stats, its the plays he made that some of us like. Remember David Clowney? Remember the preseason he had? Catching all of those bombs wide open? Did anyone really scream that this guy was going to be a star? My point is simple. When Chrebet had the preseason he had, there was something he showed that was different. Unique. He made plays. Thats what some of us have seen with Simms. Geno Smith may be a great NFL qb one day...but I have not seen that play yet that turns my head. Simms has made about 10 throws that blew me away. Could give 2 craps about stats. He also has had a few throws that should have been picks...like any rookie. The main point is that if any season....ANY SEASON..in the past decade had the potential to really find out who you have on your roster...this is it. This is the time to find out if a guy who might have no more than a 20 % chance to be just good has that "it" factor. This is the year to find out about all 3 guys. Dismissing a qb because where he was drafted and his college days is safe for a team like the Broncos...the Patroits...the Packers....the Colts...the Saints..etc..you get the point..but not the Jets. I dont care if its week 1...4...6...or 10...but I want to see this kid play with the ones.
And one more question for you Brad...please give me by percentage the chance that Mark Sanchez will be a very good qb in the NFL. Then please give the percentage that Geno Smith will be a very good NFL qb. I would like to hear from you the chances that either one of those guys have a chance to be a very good NFL QB.
And it really IS teetering isn't it!?! Let's face it...neither of the options instills a great deal of confidence. I wish I could say that only the Jets could get a QB in the draft that wasn't worth two craps out of the gate but sadly that's an NFL wide problem. It's like "How come we can't get a Andrew Luck or RGIII?" What sexual act did Indianapolis perform to get BACK to BACK nightmare QB's in Manning and Luck? While the NY Jets sit here and can't even draft back to back drafts and get much more than a solid starter. It just appears that Simms is the lesser of two evils with an insane amount of upside. If Rex Ryan is to be believed and he has progressed THAT much from year one to year two then man oh man...what could this kid be like with game experience under his belt? If he can progress THAT much while taking mental reps and practicing with the scout team and 2nd/3rd teamers...just WHAT will he look like when he practices with the 1st team group?? We've SEEN what Geno looks like and he HAS practiced with the 1st team group. Right now, Simms passes, not only the eyeball test, but also the only game experience test that he or Geno has right now. That would be preseason. If he continues...Simms future and the Jets looks bright. If he tanks then we've wasted no money and only a couple games worth of time to find out.
I Agree! If Brady was so good why didn't he go 1st round to the Pats? Sometimes players just get it and unless we give Simms a chance we won't know. It's not like we have a history of picking HOF QBs for our team.
The question is if you start Simms, let him go for two games, then Mark is healthy, do you go to Mark or Geno? This means Geno or Mark is the 3rd string QB. If you go to Mark and Mark struggles, do you go back to Simms or go to Geno. Do you start 3 QBs in the span of 1/2 a season, because the way our schedule looks now, whoever ends up playing the back half of the schedule is going to look better than whoever plays the front end of the schedule. This is something the Jets need to think about for a long time. It's a lot easier to say start Simms than to actually think about how to evaluate Geno before we potentially have a chacne of drafting a QB high in the 1st round. The Jets have a balancing act, they need to see what Geno has (and I guess Mark if they still believe in him which I doubt) before that draft next year. So the decision isn't as easy as Simms showed some flashes, let him start week 1, there is much more depth to it that we as fans don't have to worry about. The Jets will have to find a way, because realistically, Sanchez, Geno, and Simms are all going to throw up a putrid game or two this season, on how to order them and bounce from one to another. EDIT: It also depends on the severity of Sanchez's injury. If Sanchez is injured for 4-6 weeks or something, it's a lot easier to start Simms. If Sanchez is coming back soon or being healthy soon it complicates things further, and to our knowledge Sanchez is "day to day" and could be back by week 3.
The way things have been going this year, I am sure Simms will get a start. Between Sancho's slow release and Gino's rookie mistakes, the injuries are going to pile up.
Actually...it's quite an easy answer. Of course, this all depends upon the game results. If we are 2-0 then you have Sanchez as #2 and Geno as #3. If we are 0-2 then Sanchez beat out Geno, obviously, so he takes back the reins and plays until he shits the bed then you insert Geno. (obviously this is based on Sanchez hurting the first 2 games only). It really is NOT that difficult to figure out really. Personally, I have a gut feeling and that gut tells me Simms is the man. Simms is going to tear Tampa a new asshole and I think we BEAT New England with Simms behind the helm. That's just a gut feeling mind you. I think if Geno starts we LOSE to Tampa and New England. I feel if Sanchez is back and starts we beat Tampa and lose to New England. That's the last I'll go on this topic...it's ad nausea now. lol :lol:
Report Just came out Marty Mornhinweg would rather go with Geno Smith even if Mark Sanchez was healthy ...WTH. I wonder if Marty Mornhinweg had any say in Jets decision to play Sanchez behind backup O-line..??
Geno is going to be a bust. Sanchez can't have one more bad game without being boo'd out of town. Rex should have an itchy trigger finger this year because he'll be done as a HC if he doesn't. The chance is good that Simms gets playing time sooner or later.
