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Our Next Head Coach

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  1. Eric Bieniemy

    11 vote(s)
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  2. Arthur Smith

    12 vote(s)
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  3. Greg Roman

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    27.5%
  4. Jim Harbaugh

    4 vote(s)
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  5. Joe Brady

    3 vote(s)
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  6. Other (Please Explain)

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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense. I'm not lying to myself.

    I think they will take a big step backwards if Smith gets a HC job. The next OC could be someone whose system is radically different and Tannehill and Henry go back to being closer to the players they were before.
     
  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    We're in total agreement on how Sam should be evaluated. We're in disagreement about whether he will succeed anywhere. I think he could, but it will take some time, and imo the chances of his fulfilling his potential are probably less than 20% at this point. He has the physical talent. I just am not certain that he has the football IQ and mental talent to go with his physical talent. He could, and if so, then he probably can become decent starting QB, That could take a year or two, maybe longer.
     
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    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    If only we had some talent.

    RB, QB, WR

    Seems a strange argument to me tbh (bolded) isn't that always the way for teams to rely on their best player, whatever that position may be?
     
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    Yeah that's another problem with a run-based offense. RB's fall off a cliff in their late 20's so you constantly have to reload the position. A QB can play effectively into his upper 30's.
     
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    It's not a strange argument at all. Of course your team will rely on their best player, but when your best player is a running back who has an average shelf life of 4-5 years, then things get a little shaky.

    The idea isn't to have one top tier player and rely solely on him. That's what Tennessee has been doing over the last few years. Without Henry they are nothing. That's a problem.
     
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    Just jumping off this NC.....unemotionally as I can muster........In my experience (and I'm an old fucker) quarterbacks who are still making the same mental mistakes in year 3 that they made as a rookie - even if they improved temporarily in year 2 - do not make it as starting caliber NFL quarterbacks too often. The rest of it (oline, Gase, receivers) is just noise.

    I thought Sam would be better too. He isn't. Same mental mistakes in year 3 as year 1. Time to move on.
     
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    This is also backed up by statistical analysis. It was PFF or Football Outsiders that ran study of probable outcomes for QB's who start their career like Darnold. I want to say they concluded that there's about a 10% chance that Darnold will ever become even an average QB. It just makes absolutely no sense to trot him out there another year. Get a third rounder for him while you still can.
     
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    Adam Gase in over his head? That can't be right.

    Preposterous.
     
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    The thing is that no one here knows what kind of training Darnold has gotten or how well he has picked up anything from Palmer. From what I see, Palmer is a traditionalist who does not use advanced, computer based analysis or development. I could be wrong about that but in an article a couple of years ago about McCown's use of a more technological approach it was mentioned that Darnold was interested but I've seen nothing to say he has used it.

    Even the reading defenses that you prescribe tons of film watching for can be improved by an interactive approach. The Jets are not obligated to tell us what they're doing but it seems if they were taking some advanced steps they would be bragging on it. I doubt that anyone here expects that any of that happened under Gase.

    All signs are that it would be accurate at this point to say that in his time at the Jets Darnold has not received any effective coaching.
     
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    This could be why Salah didn’t get the job.. He’s a defensive guru similar to Rex. They want a CEO type like Bill
     
  11. JetFan20

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    He coaches where football is going
     
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    Or they just wanted to interview another candidate they felt strongly about.

    Gase blatantly ignored the defensive side of the ball.

    Rex had an offensive philosophy; he wanted to play smashmouth football and punch the other team in the mouth for 60 minutes.
     
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    D'oh!
     
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    Exploring the New York Jets HC candidates’ possible coordinator choices
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    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/01/14/...s-hc-candidates-possible-coordinator-choices/

    Robert Saleh (49ers defensive coordinator)
    Two particular names from the San Francisco staff have been commonly linked to Robert Saleh as the potential offensive coordinator on his new staff: Mike LaFleur and Mike McDaniel.

    Since Kyle Shanahan took over as the 49ers’ head coach in 2017, San Francisco has not had a coach hold the title of offensive coordinator – Shanahan has been the de facto OC. However, the 49ers have had a passing game coordinator and a run game coordinator, LaFleur and McDaniel.

    LaFleur, 34, is the younger brother of Packers head coach Matt LaFleur. He joined the 49ers as a wide receivers coach in 2017, holding the role for two years before being promoted to passing game coordinator in 2019. It’s worth noting that LaFleur has a very close relationship with Saleh – LaFleur was the best man at Saleh’s wedding.

    In LaFleur’s first season leading the passing attack, San Francisco ranked eighth in pass offense DVOA and third in net yards per pass attempt (7.4). The Niners dropped to 22nd in pass offense DVOA this past season as Jimmy Garoppolo started only six games while Nick Mullens started eight and C.J. Beathard started two. However, even with a backup quarterback on the field for 10 starts, LaFleur helped the 49ers rank 12th in passing yards (252.1 per game) and 13th in net yards per pass attempt (6.6). LaFleur somehow squeezed a 105.7 passer rating out of Beathard over his two starts (his career rating entering 2020 was 74.6).

    Play action is a crucial piece of the aerial attack in San Francisco. In 2019, Garoppolo used play action on 31.9% of his passing dropbacks, tied for the sixth-highest rate among 40 qualifiers. He thrived off of play action, ranking sixth in the NFL with 10.8 yards per attempt after using a play fake. In 2020, Garoppolo used play action 32.3% of the time, ninth-highest, and he ranked 10th-best with 9.0 yards per attempt when using it.

    Since LaFleur took over as the passing game coordinator in 2019, the 49ers rank seventh in the NFL in net yards per pass attempt (7.0) and 11th in team passer rating (96.0).

    McDaniel, 37, was an offensive assistant under Shanahan with the Falcons from 2015-16. McDaniel followed Shanahan to San Francisco and has been the 49ers’ run game coordinator since 2017. Over McDaniel’s tenure from 2017-20, the 49ers have ranked 16th, 30th, seventh and 15th in rush offense DVOA. In their 2019 Super Bowl season, the Niners led the league in rushing touchdowns (23) and ranked second in total rushing yards (144.1 per game), while their non-quarterbacks averaged an incredible 5.0 yards per carry.

    The 49ers’ running game is known for its basis on outside zone concepts and its heavy usage of motion and deception working off of those core outside zone plays. In 2019, the 49ers incorporated pre-snap motion on 72% of their running plays, tops in the NFL.

    Relying upon strong blocking at the skill positions is another staple of McDaniel and Shanahan’s run game. Fullback Kyle Juszczyk, signed by San Francisco shortly after McDaniel and Shanahan were hired in 2017, is by far the most used fullback in the NFL with a position-high 17.7 snaps per game since 2017. Superstar tight end George Kittle has ranked top 10 at his position in run blocking snaps per game in each of the last three seasons, establishing himself as one of the most devastating non-offensive line blockers in the world.

    There are two other unique components of the McDaniel-Shanahan run game. One is a committee approach at running back. The 49ers have had three backs log at least 80 carries in each of the past two seasons. In addition, San Francisco loves to get non-running backs involved on the ground. Since 2019, the 49ers’ wide receivers and tight ends have combined for 315 rushing yards on 38 carries, a tremendous average of 8.3 yards per carry.

    Defensively, look out for longtime Texans and Eagles linebacker DeMeco Ryans. He is the inside linebackers coach in San Francisco, where he has helped 2018 third-round pick Fred Warner develop into one of the league’s absolute best players at the position (Warner led all linebackers with an 88.6 overall Pro Football Focus grade in 2020). Ryans is considered one of the favorites to replace Saleh as the defensive coordinator in San Francisco, but it’s possible that Saleh – who coached Ryans in Houston for five years (2006-10) – could convince Ryans to follow him to his new team and take the DC role there.

    Arthur Smith (Titans offensive coordinator)
    Building a quality staff is one of the top concerns for Smith as a head coaching candidate, as his entire NFL career has taken place with the Titans. His connections may be limited for this reason, but it’s also worth noting that he has survived the regimes of five different head coaches, so there has been an unusually large amount of people to run through Nashville during Smith’s tenure.

    Keith Carter, the offensive line coach in Tennessee, is a possible name to watch as a staff member that could follow Smith over, whether he maintains his current role or is promoted to offensive coordinator. Smith is a former college offensive lineman who has built his Titans success around a strong run game, which has been anchored by one of the league’s best offensive lines over the past two years. Carter is the man behind that unit’s productivity. So, there are some connected dots here.

    Tony Dews, the Titans’ running backs coach since 2018, has had a ton of success with helping Derrick Henry achieve stardom. Dews also offers numerous connections throughout college football, as he has coached at nine different colleges throughout his career. He is another name to watch.

    The defensive side is tougher to read. Tennessee did not have a defensive coordinator in 2020, with head coach Mike Vrabel leading the unit, and that worked out poorly as the Titans finished 29th in defensive DVOA. Veteran coach Dean Pees led the defense in 2019, but he has retired from coaching.

    Tennessee’s 2020 defensive staff was highlighted by Terrell Williams (defensive line), Shane Bowen (outside linebackers), Jim Haslett (inside linebackers) and Anthony Midget (secondary).
     
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    At the end of the day hire the coach you think will win the most games. Who cares what side of the ball he specializes in or how he looks behind a podium.

    Offensive/Defensive gurus can be successful head coaches. Adam Gase was not an offensive guru.
     
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    Brian Daboll (Bills offensive coordinator)
    Most of the staff in Buffalo was put together by head coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane the season before Daboll arrived there, so he does not have a lot of long-standing connections with the Bills. For this reason, it seems likely he could look back on connections from his 11 years (2000-06 and 2013-16) with the Patriots.

    A couple of names to watch on the offensive side for Buffalo are offensive line coach Bobby Johnson and wide receivers coach Chad Hall. With a blend of unheralded veterans and homegrown draft picks, Johnson has coached up a solid line that has done an excellent job supporting Josh Allen in both phases. Under Hall, each of Stefon Diggs, John Brown and Cole Beasley has come to Buffalo and been more productive than ever before.

    Bills quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey is an attractive name because of his work with Allen, but Dorsey is likely going to replace Daboll as the offensive coordinator in Buffalo.

    Defensively, the Bills do not have many intriguing names, but one possible coordinator candidate is defensive line coach Eric Washington. The 2020 season was Washington’s first in Buffalo after nine in Carolina, where he was the defensive coordinator for the Panthers from 2018-19.

    Other interesting names on Buffalo’s defensive staff include Jacques Cesaire (assistant defensive line), Bob Babich (linebackers) and John Butler (defensive backs).

    Daboll could also call out to connections from his one season at Alabama in 2017. A name to watch there – former Jets defensive line coach Karl Dunbar. He worked in New York under Rex Ryan from 2012-14. From 2016-17, he was Alabama’s defensive line coach, sharing the 2017 season with Daboll. Dunbar has been the Steelers’ defensive line coach since 2018. This season, Pittsburgh’s trio of Cameron Heyward, Stephon Tuitt, and Tyson Alualu formed the core of arguably the best defensive line in football.
     
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    Well, it seems like Joe D is on the right track, that's for sure.

    I love that this is what we are looking for
     
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    I see some fans saying "If he's your guy, don't let him leave the bld!!! Get this done before all the good ones sign elsewhere!!!"

    But isn't this the EXACT thinking they had with Gase that we're now trying to avoid, do better? JohnsonTwins loved Gase, the didn't let him leave the bld.

    But this time, JoeD is casting a wide net, talking to many potential candidates. Give the process TIME. We've only met f2f with TWO candidates. Let Douglas meet face 2 face with 6-8-10 candidates. THAT's casting a wide net. Not panicking and signing the first guy you 'liked'.

    And if that candidate you 'liked' signs elsewhere before we've completed our interviews then THAT candidate probably didn't really see himself a good fit here anyway, or he would have waited on us.
     
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  19. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Well, I wish we had one to use, what shit game plan to run yourself to wins.

    Plenty of teams have done this to various degrees, didn't the Cowboys run Murray to death before they tried again with Elliott, for example.

    Christian McCaffery makes the Panthers and without him they are a shadow of themselves.

    So to me, it seems a strange comment to castigate a team for running a beast when they have one to run and besides all of that they have run him so much that Tannehill has managed to throw for nearly 4000 yards at the same time.

    4-5 years rinse and repeat or by that time a new coach might be at the helm and go a different route.

    Not much of a problem to have imo.
     
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  20. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    True but htf did they ever think Gase was the ONE to begin with?
     
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