Interesting topic, and I Def think even though Jets West is more of a fun environment, it BUILDS trust, unity and bonding between teammates. Winslow, Ivory, and the other rooks never played not only with Sanchez but each other. These are the guys who will block for one another, and run decoy, picks, etc. It helps to block for someone you care for naturally, it gives your effort an extra oomph. Like you said its and opportunity for the players to work out the kinks, and speak on how they like to run routes, catch, and throw. There are no coaches just players, so it's a much more open environment for players to discuss the offense. I like the fact there is a film review session and the qb is going over everybody's responsibilities. That's awesome.
IMO Chemistry is a big part of football.... IAO I think the media is just ridiculous for attempting to put Geno & Mark in the middle of some made up shit in order to create something out of nothing... Not buying into it. Their play will determine what happens from here, not what any of these absolutely incompetent "Sports Writers".
Basically this^ How could I put it best? Hey Geno, want to come to Jets West? You can: 1)Bond with teammates. 2)Learn more about our offense through our WR's and RB's experience 3)Throw to our WR's, learn about them and where they want the ball and what tendencies they have so you can get better together. 4)Become better friends. 5)Watch film and scout our future competition, break it down together as a team 6)Have some fun with our teammates. 7)Go over our plays. All before we go into training camp and the pressure really is on? 8) NO Media No? Okay. Even if its only a week. That's a week of extra experience no matter how you look at it. Whatever. Jets West is over anyway. Sorry if that was annoying, just what I think.
Isn't this what training camp is for? Learn how to throw the ball, huh? So basically you're saying fuck MM, screw his new to Jets system, to he'll with all the formations Xs and Os. Who needs this shit when we have the Sanchez himself building the offense, getting the timing just right! How did this work out in the past? This place was buzzing with complaint about bad route running and shitty timing for the past 2 years, and righteously so. Jets west is nothing but glorified flatternity party and occasional field show off for Ciminis who are bored and out of topics in the middle of summer.
I dont think any of this is a result of Jets West. Everyone that improved mostly because they gained experience by being in the NFL another year, and were in a position to put up better numbers. Personally, I dont see a three day "camp" that probably consists as much of b.s. activities as it does actual football. If it was a 2 week camp, then sure, Id say it would help a significant amount. But the few days at Jets West is nothing compared to the time spent at actual training camp.
And since you mentioned TEAM sports... These stats of yours are load of crap. It's like saying that since I am getting laid in the evening, it must be because of proper food selection for dinner 3 nights prior. You're preaching that its TEAM sport yet your sole reason for consequence in Feb are what happen in July.
Oh, that's cute. So you can't blame injuries on Sanchez, but the good stats are because of camp attendance. How convenient. How about this: poor training practices instituted in Jets West by Sanchez resulted in a string of significant injuries to attendants while those who escaped injury had to be re- coached to put decent production numbers. Tell me how this conclusion is less valid than yours.
YES!!!!! And Geno is doing exactly that by working on his footwork instead of being Sanchez's waterboy.
Chemistry certainly is a major part. My problem is that there is no evidence that the damn camp does anything to improve it.
Holmes was injured in the 4th quarter of Week 4. Anybody who wanted to be taken seriously would say that he played 4 games, and thus was on pace for (16/4)*272 = 1088 yards (and only 4 TDs if you care about that). In 2009 his yardage total is higher than that, and in 2007 his yardage projects to be higher if he had played a full 16 games. There is no other year where he even came close to the 80 targets that he would be projected to have in 2012, so it is fair to wonder whether his lack of targets was the limiting factor rather than his performance. But the truth is, you really can't make any kind of accurate projection based on only 4 games, especially considering how inconsistently Holmes played in 2012. More than half of that yardage that he did get (54% to be exact) came in one single game. Half of those games he had less than 30 yards.
Holmes and Braylon never went to Jets West to my knowledge and Sanchez had the best chemistry with them it seems. I think it's good for the QB to just get a handle on things, and great for the younger players just to get some work and maybe learn more. It can't hurt if they just want to talk and play more football.
i agree its not necessary but its still a good idea basically. its always better for the guys to get as much practice in as possible, just shows their dedication to each other and helps make the team a stronger unit also pretty sure holmes went last year to jets west, and they seemed to have some good chemistry going in the beginning of the season before the injury
They always had good chemistry though. Holmes was suspended 4 games and then came and him and Sanchez had an immediate connection. Like you said, these guys wanna play more football, I'm fine with that. Individually or together, we need our QBs to be ready to play at a high level from day 1. Good to see both of them are making strides to do that
This is not anywhere close to what people are saying. There's the offense that's installed by the coaches and Marty is going to have the final say. But when Marty calls a quick slant ( StartingQb1 ) needs to know that Santonio holmes likes the ball a little lower, stephen hill want's the ball thrown in the air a bit so he can use his arms, Kellen Winslow likes to body receivers so make it more of a jump ball. None of this is the OC's job to coordinate, and is only things you will learn from playing with your teammate. NO ONE said that Jets West replaces anything. Just adds to the chemistry they can have together so come training camp we're not talking about things like miscommunication, and all it comes down to is who's the better QB behind center. Further more - The whole point of this thread was to try and gauge people's opinions on the impact and I gave stats and thoughts to back up that it was good for the players who attended. We had 17 different people due to injuries play at WR last season,.. Only 2 of which were actually at Jets west, and those receivers seemed to have some type of statistical boost. My point with all this was that the players who were there benefited. The ones who didn't appeared to have struggled with chemistry and route issues.
You're splitting hairs here Even at 1088 yards It's still a solid statistical year from Holmes ( his best with the Jets ) amongst a handful of less then stellar years.
Why the hell would all of these players go to Jets West if they thought it was useless,.. You are making huge DUMB assumptions because you hate Sanchez. If they were all going out there to give handys to Sanchez and tell him how wonderful he is I'm pretty sure the attendance would slip a little bit.. But you guys obviously know better then all the players on his TEAM that he sees every day. I'm pretty sure a majority of the people on this board don't even like the JETS. I don't know how anyone can be so negative about something like this.
Actually our Strength and Conditioning coaching staff was a joke last year and we had so many injuries across the boards not just to our WRs. You're quickly working your way up the /ignore ladder.
Because they enjoy drinking while "working", because they hope Sanchez flushes his ass, like media attention... It does nothing to them otherwise
Right, Because all of my posts are derogatory and have no fact or basis right? When did this board become a cesspool of piss poor attitudes and terrible amateur comedians trying to make jokes about the Jets franchise? This used to be a place where you could have an intelligent discussion on a sports related topic.
