NYTimes: Deflategate Scientists unlock their lab..

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  1. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    please enlighten us as to which of those scientific conclusions were 'weak'..
     
  3. CJLang

    CJLang Well-Known Member

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    This is the same "scientific experts" who were hired to argue that 2nd hand smoke doesn't cause cancer...

    They are a hired gun. They are told what conclusion to arrive at when they get hired.

    They disregarded the head ref's best recollection about which gage he used because the gage he said he used doesn't bring them to the conclusion they want to come to.

    Read the earlier article listed from the same newspaper. (The NYT has conveniently removed the link to this article) So here's one from the LA Times

    Toyota calls in Exponent Inc. as hired gun
    The California engineering firm is known for helping big corporations weather messy disputes. It denies accusations that it skews results to benefit its clients.
    February 18, 2010|By Ken Bensinger and Ralph Vartabedian



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    When some of the world's best-known companies faced disputes over secondhand smoke, toxic waste in the jungle and asbestos, they all turned to the same source for a staunch defense: Exponent Inc.

    Now that same engineering and consulting firm has been hired by Toyota Motor Corp. as it seeks to fend off claims that sudden acceleration in its vehicles could be caused by problems in its electronic throttle systems.

    A 56-page report that Menlo Park, Calif.-based Exponent sent to Congress on Feb. 9 found that the system behaved as intended and that Exponent was "unable to induce . . . unintended acceleration or behavior that might be a precursor to such an event."

    But Exponent's research has come under fire from critics, including engineers, attorneys and academics who say the company tends to deliver to clients the reports they need to mount a public defense.
     
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    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    @CJLang what is more plausible?

    1) that Exponent was complicit in a conspiracy to slander the NEP and TB, the depths of which included an independent investigative team, the NFL FO including the Commissioner, and the 31 other team owners, despite complete lack of motive and detriment to the league they all represent....

    Or

    2) that your team, with a history of rule bending, including ball tampering with McNally himself (2004), actually did fucking bend the rules here yet again, then lied, and attempted to cover it up.

    Take off the chowda lenses, and just think about it.
    It's amazing how Pats homers so easily buy into the mass conspiracy (ie everyone was in on it) before believing the obvious.
     
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    I don't think Exponent is so much a hired gun as that a corporation will only publish Exponent's findings if Exponent agrees with them.
     
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    Does their lab include a side restroom with no cameras and no urinal?

    How bout their lab can't replicate the exact conditions 100%

    Chest puffers
     
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    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    This all could have been solved if they let me do the test at work. We have an environmental chamber at work that can control temperature, pressure and humidity.

    Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Why would the NFL want to taint a team, coach and player that have won as many games and Superbowls as they have? That's terrible marketing and PR for the league. The conspiracy theorists that the NFL was/is out to get New England is silly.

    If you're telling me that they want to destroy the Browns because of their poor leadership and ownership to force them out so they can try to be competitive maybe it makes sense. They're not going to try to destroy one of their most valuable assets, at least not intentionally. You protect such assets.
     
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    I stated facts in my post, not opinion. Whether you believe Brady was guilty or not, the facts overwhelmingly suggest the league ran a kangaroo court.

    I haven't ever read anywhere that McNally was reported for ball tampering any other time.
     
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    I'll play. Which "facts" are you referring to?
     
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    of course that conveniently slips your memory.....
    the incident they were busted was against the Jets in 2004, so i remember it clearly, and it was recapped again in the Wells report.
    McNally was slipping beat up, unapproved (no doubt underinflated), practice balls into the games.
    additionally, Feely confirms he witnessed the same thing occurring in Foxboro in a game against the Dolphins.

    This has beeen going on for a long time dude.
    Deflategate is not even the first time they were busted and warned for it.
    Instead of stopping, they just got more efficient in their process of hiding it (bathroom pit stops, etc)..


    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...he-witnessed-patriots-use-doctored-footballs/

    http://nesn.com/2015/05/wells-report-patriots-warned-in-2004-about-improper-football

    http://nypost.com/2015/05/13/brady-used-deflated-footballs-back-in-2004-opposing-qb/

    And yet you believe it's more plausible that Exponent unethically doctored test results, which suggests they were instructed to do so, which suggests a much larger underlying institutional conspiracy against Tom Br*dy.
    That's just blind, unabashed homerism.
    Again, what would be the motive for such a conspiracy?
     
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    On the other hand minimum disciplinary action for anyone, including the head coach or other club personnel, who is responsible for a non-approved football is a fine of $25,000, according to the NFL's game operations manual. Anyone can see Goodell may have killed a fily with a sledgehammer, while making it look like their product is on the scale of WWE.
     
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    The league was obviously sending someone a message.
     
  14. GordonGecko

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    There's no "theory", the majority of the owners definitely wanted Goodell to put the screws to the Patriots come hell or high water. This was one of those things that "had to be done" to take them down a notch for a track record of bending the rules regardless of the PR hit (which isn't much of a hit when most of the fans of the 31 other teams wanted to see the same thing happen)
     
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    "But, but, but, they're hired guns!" This whole "we did nothing wrong" and "even if we did, you can't prove it" schtick is so old, tired, and played out. Brady, the Pats and Chowdah nation's insipid and continued denials, end-arounds, and obfuscations are what has caused this thing to drag on for so long. It led to the Wells Report, the Goodell appeal, federal district court, the circuit court of appeals, and the en banc court of appeals. It's over. You had your process. STFU and accept that you cheated.
     
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    Tom Brady suspended for 4 games with Deflategate.

    Belly fined by the league while N.E lost a 1st round draft pick for spygate.

    It's hilarious.

    Belichick & Brady's career will always and forever be tainted with *asterisk's* surrounding their "accomplishments".

    They'll never be respected as champions but instead as sneaky cheaters.
     
  17. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    zactly
     
  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    What do you think of when you say "the league"?

    I know some people think of the NFL as some objective entity that has a bunch of detached teams that run independently.

    When I think of "the league", I think of a coalition of 31 billionaires who employ a commissioner to do their bidding for maximum returns. They're all sitting at the poker table trying to out-fox each other and a bunch of the high rollers finally got fed up with the new guy that was counting cards.
     
  19. Walt White

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    No doubt.

    And the good old boy network within that group has probably changed throughout the years and the politics and influences too.
     

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