NYJ/KC - Draft Positioning Thread

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  1. genom

    genom Active Member

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    You people thinking the Falcons will be taking Darren have obviously not seen Jerious Norwood play.
     
  2. Matty Jets

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    If Alex Smith was taken No.1 either Brohm or Ryan could go in the top-4. Big x-factor is who they decide to bring in and coach the team next season.
     
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    Plllleeeaassseeeee give me a break! Norwood aint even on the same playing field as McFadden... McFadden is on a whole nother planet in terms of Norwoods skill and potential.
     
  4. Matty Jets

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    McFadden's better than Thomas - doesn't mean we'll draft him.
     
  5. MikeSLTJ23

    MikeSLTJ23 Well-Known Member

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    Okay, good point...he's been out long enough that I completely forgot he existed haha.
     
  6. WW85

    WW85 MOCKERATOR
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    But he's getting old and injury prone.
     
  7. Nesquik

    Nesquik Well-Known Member

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    Atlanta needs a qb way more than they need a rb and norwood and dunn is still a solid combo. It really depends on what coach they hire too, but the right choice would be a qb.
     
  8. WW85

    WW85 MOCKERATOR
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    I concur, ATL is going to go QB.......Matt Ryan
     
  9. MikeSLTJ23

    MikeSLTJ23 Well-Known Member

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    Man, if LJ is getting old, then I must be too because it seems like yesterday that they drafted him. I'm too lazy to look into it, but I don't think he's that old (still in his 20s I'm pretty sure). Injury prone...I don't know. This is really the only major injury he's had, isn't it?
     
  10. WW85

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    LJ is 28, I thought he was 30. I guess it's his Prime, so If I were KC, I would consider DMC. LJ has only one year completely injury free....2006. In 2005 he played all 16 games but missed some playing time during the games due to nagging injuries. The years 2003, 04 & 07 he missed significant time.
     
  11. Run_N_gun10

    Run_N_gun10 Well-Known Member

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    Jets' Must Lose To CHIEF's

    Jets' must lose to Chiefs this week. If Jets' lose, they may be in line for the #2 - #4 pick in the draft. If Jets' win, they could fall all the way to the #7 pick. A huge difference. If Jets' win, then they really lose. Chiefs are gonna try to hand this game to the Jets' & Jets can't fall for it. This game is huge for draft position. Chiefs are riding a nice 8 game losing streak.

    Here are complete standings after week 16:


    National Football League
    Team W L T Pct PF PA Home Road Div Conf Strk
    x- Patriots 15 0 0 1.000 551 239 8-0 7-0 6-0 12-0 W15
    y- Colts 13 2 0 .867 440 246 6-1 7-1 5-0 9-2 W6
    x- Cowboys 13 2 0 .867 449 298 6-2 7-0 4-1 10-1 W1
    y- Packers 12 3 0 .800 401 278 6-1 6-2 3-2 8-3 L1
    z- Jaguars 11 4 0 .733 383 262 6-2 5-2 2-3 8-3 W3
    y- Steelers 10 5 0 .667 372 242 7-1 3-4 5-0 7-4 W1
    z- Giants 10 5 0 .667 338 313 3-4 7-1 3-3 7-5 W1
    y- Seahawks 10 5 0 .667 352 247 7-1 3-4 5-1 8-3 W1
    y- Chargers 9 5 0 .643 359 264 6-1 3-4 3-1 7-3 W4
    Browns 9 6 0 .600 382 375 6-1 3-5 3-3 7-5 L1
    Titans 9 6 0 .600 285 287 5-3 4-3 3-2 6-5 W2
    y-Buccaneers 9 6 0 .600 311 239 6-1 3-5 5-0 8-3 L1
    Redskins 8 7 0 .533 307 304 4-3 4-4 2-3 6-5 W3
    Vikings 8 7 0 .533 346 289 5-3 3-4 3-3 6-6 L1
    Bills 7 8 0 .467 243 337 4-4 3-4 4-2 6-6 L2
    Texans 7 8 0 .467 337 356 5-2 2-6 0-5 4-7 L1
    Eagles 7 8 0 .467 319 291 2-5 5-3 2-4 5-7 W2
    Lions 7 8 0 .467 333 410 5-3 2-5 3-2 4-7 W1
    Saints 7 8 0 .467 354 355 3-5 4-3 3-3 6-5 L1
    Cardinals 7 8 0 .467 356 380 5-2 2-6 2-3 4-7 W1
    Broncos 6 8 0 .429 295 367 4-3 2-5 3-2 6-5 L1
    Bengals 6 9 0 .400 342 360 5-3 1-6 3-3 5-6 W1
    Bears 6 9 0 .400 301 323 3-4 3-5 2-4 3-8 W1
    Panthers 6 9 0 .400 236 324 2-6 4-3 2-3 6-5 L1
    49ers 5 10 0 .333 212 344 3-5 2-5 3-3 4-8 W2
    Ravens 4 11 0 .267 248 363 3-4 1-7 0-5 1-10 L9
    Raiders 4 11 0 .267 266 368 2-5 2-6 2-3 4-7 L3
    Chiefs 4 11 0 .267 216 322 2-6 2-5 2-4 3-8 L8
    Jets 3 12 0 .200 255 345 2-5 1-7 2-4 3-8 L3
    Falcons 3 12 0 .200 215 373 2-5 1-7 1-5 2-9 L6
    Rams 3 12 0 .200 244 390 1-7 2-5 1-4 3-8 L3
    Dolphins 1 14 0 .067 242 399 1-6 0-8 0-6 1-10 L1



    x-clinched division and home field advantage
    y-clinched division
    z-clinched playoff spot
     
  12. JetGreen

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    Ok, a summary, correct me if I'm wrong:

    If the Jets WIN,
    KC, Oak, Bal LOSE
    We pick 6th if the Falcons win, 7th if the Falcons lose

    If the Jets WIN,
    KC LOSE
    Oak and Bal WIN
    We pick 4th if the Falcons win, 5th if the Falcons lose

    *The above assuming that KC, Oak, and Bal will still have weaker schedules than us after Week 17.

    If the Jets LOSE,
    KC, Oak, Bal, Atl are all out of the equation because they all have more wins than us no matter what with the exception of Atl but they have a stronger schedule. So it comes down to us and Stl.

    Jets pick 2nd if Stl wins, 3rd if Stl loses.

    So the Jets can pick anywhere from 2nd to 7th. If the Jets WIN, they cannot pick in the top 3 and will pick 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th. If the Jets LOSE, they will pick in the top 3 no matter what and will pick either 2nd or 3rd.

    Is my summary correct?

    EDIT: I just checked out the strength of schedules for some of the teams and crunched some numbers:

    here's the scenario:

    based on the table on page 2 (as of week 15)
    Jets: .522; Plays Titans (now a .600) and Chiefs (now a .267)
    Ravens: .509; Plays Seahawks (now a .667) and Steelers (now a .667)
    Raiders: .509; Plays Jaguars (now a .733) and Chargers (now a .643)
    Rams: .509; Plays Steelers (now a .667) and Cardinals (now a .467)

    based on the above numbers (will always change due to change in record)
    Jets will finish: .511
    Ravens will finish: .529
    Raiders will finish: .531
    Rams will finish: .516


    I think the Ravens and Raiders' schedules will end up stronger than the Jets' schedule. So I think (hopefully it's right) that the Jets will end up picking no worse than 5th even if they win. But the winning percentage of a team will change every week and thus other teams' strength of schedule will change accordingly, so these numbers will be different by Week 17. However, I think the Ravens and Raiders (each playing a playoff team in week 16 and 17) will end up with stronger schedules.

    The strength of schedule also works retrospectively, so the Jets current strength of schedule will change based on week 16 results. So whether the Jets or Rams would hold the tiebreaker is far too close to call at this point. It's something to keep in mind though.
     
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  13. poiu

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    Does anybody know what the situation is for the draft tie breaker (which I believe is opponents strength of schedule)? I remember a couple years ago people had this completely covered but I haven't seen anything yet this year.
     
  14. JetGreen

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    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    My son said the team that played a "weaker" schedule picks ahead of the team that played a "stronger" team
     
  16. BroadwayMike

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    The 1st tie-breaker is strength of schedule.

    So let's say 3 teams are tied for the worst record with 2-14. If their strength of schedules (SOS) are .480, .500, .520, they would pick in this order:

    1. Team A, 2-14, SOS .480

    2. Team B, 2-14, SOS, .500

    3. Team C, 2-14, SOS .520.

    Every 3 or 4 years, teams will tie both record and SOS, they then flip a coin. I'm pretty sure the Falcons and Browns were involved in a coin flip b/w the 8th & 9th picks last year.
     
  17. WW85

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    Spend sometime on TGG's Draft Board and you wouldn't have to ask.
     
  18. amsingh

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    Haha i was so confused because this thread was under "Draft Chris Long"

    Draft Chris Long
    Draft Tiebreaker

    !!
     
  19. Quack

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    They spelled his name wrong but Ty Breaker should be a decent corner. He has problems with mouthing off to everyone but he should go the early 20's of the first round. I hear he has a 97 rating in NCAA though.
     
  20. Rambo13

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    I think there are two intermediate levels between SOS and coin flip. division and conference record.

    http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=24848

    http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm
     

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