It's funny, people seem to think that as soon as Tebow was drafted, that huge numbers of fans started chanting "Tebow, Tebow" and demanding that he start. That just wasn't the case. Orton went 2-8 in the last 10 games of 2009, 3-10 over 13 games in 2009, and 1-4 in 2010. I don't care WHO the backup QB is, at that point, fans will be screaming for him. If Tebow wasn't here and the Jet's still had Stanton, if Sanchez went 6-22 over 28 games, fans would be screaming for Stanton.
You wanted me to finda qb who did more in his first 16 games than tebow. And with more pressure and less time mark sanchez did. You want to compare after 3 seasons then fine. But i seriously doubt timmy will make it another 2 full seasons as a starting qb. And isnt tebow basically running the same offense he had at Florida ? So i guess tbat woulbe a "pro style" offensehe didnt have to learn. And are you really calling out denvers coaching staff?? Thats gotta be a joke. They created that offense on the fly for a qb that cant play qb - and it actually worked.! At first anyway. Defenses catch up on gimmicks. Good coaching can only get you so far. Att some point your qb has fo pyt points on the board.
Think someone posted a link to the article in one of the thread here in Tebowville, but basically, the Broncos switched to an offense that they thought the team could be successful with. It was extremely run heavy and yes, had some option plays and formations mixed in. One of the main components was to not turn the ball over. To be extremely cautious, especially the few times McCoy dialed up passing plays. BUT, if you watched last year, it's easy to see when Tebow was successful. It was mostly when he was running the Spread offense out of the shotgun. That's what led to Denver beating the Jet's last year on that 95 yard drive. They went to the gun with 3,4 and 5 guys out in patterns. Rex switched to a nickel or dime package with "coverage" guys instead of your run stoppers. This opened things up for Tebow to run, and it also provided him with more receivers to target. The Jet's have a couple of great corners who can lock receivers down, but when you get to the 3rd, 4th and 5th coverage guys, it gives the advantage to the offense. Same thing against Chicago. People keep saying that the Bears went into a "prevent" defense. They didn't. The Broncos went to the Spread from shotgun, the Bears dropped back into Cover 2 and Tampa 2 and Tebow tore it apart. Did he still throw some really ugly passes ? Sure. But his percentages went up dramatically when in the Spread, as did his yardage and scoring.
No, Tebow didn't essentially run the same offense that he did at Florida. They ran the Spread Option. If you want, I'll happily go through and explanation of various offenses and explain what some of the key differences are. And yes, I'm most definitely calling out Denver's coaching staff. True, they did try to work with some of Tebow's strengths, but they could have done soooo much more. I mean, look at what Chudzinski did with the offense down in Carolina with Cam Newton. They were running the Spread and the Spread Option.
That may be the case in denver last season with orton but not the case here. We have a qb that's done more in his first 3 years than most qbs dream of in a career. So i dont suspect any real jets fans be chanting g for the 2nd string qb
No need i know the difference. I also know the difference in the offense that sanchez took on after bsing drafted. I cant argue with someone that's actually comparing tebow to cam newton. Good grief..
I don't expect it either, that was kind of my point. Others here, long time residents and Jet's fans, are worried about all the Tebowites screaming for him to be the starter after Sanchez throws an incomplete pass or has a bad game. I'm saying that their fears are decidedly overblown and it isn't going to happen.
Why not compare Tebow to Cam ? They both are dual threat QBs. They both worked out of the shotgun in college (Tebow, much more so), they both ran Spread Option offenses (Tebow just about all the time, while Cam at Auburn ran more of a Spread offense with some option and even traditional "NFL" offense thrown in. Seriously dude, I don't think you do know or understand the differences between the offenses. Small test, what's the difference between a Spread Offense and the Spread Option offense ? Second, why is that difference kind of important ?
Quick a swer - Spread is used to create mismatches and stretch the field. Spred option is similarbut is used qwith a rb in a more run oriented offenss. The qb makes fhe callat the snap if its a run or pass. You dont compare a young stud qb like cam to somo e who was traded to be mark sanchezs backup. Cam will likely be a top 5 qb someday as tk wbere timmy will lekely get one more shot before crasbi g and burning. By the wayy remember when i mentioned that kliff kingsbury put up as good of numbers as tebow and manning? Because much liks Timmy he was a system qb. He played in tbe spread. I hope i get bonus points!
Kind of right, but not really. Spread is just as you said. Spread the field in both width and depth. BUT, there's not much running in a spread offense, so the defense basically just has to worry about coverage. That and they can do things with their defensive alignment to try and fark up your offense and it's timing. Spread Option is a way to run effectively out of the shotgun. You can run from the shotgun without running option, but your play calling is fairly limited. With the Spread Option, you have a QB who is a dual threat, one that can pass the ball as well as run it up through the tackles. What makes this better than just trying to run a lead draw from the shotgun? Because the Option gives you a numbers advantage and a running QB increases that advantage. On "traditional running plays from the shotgun, the defense doesn't have to account for the QB. That gives them a +1 advantage. Also, most schemes call for the blocking of all defenders that could be involved with the play. Only far backside defenders might be left unblocked, as they are considered to be too far away from the ball carrier to worry about. If the QB can run, again, the defense has to account for that and it takes away the +1 advantage that they had. Additionally, in Option football, you "option" specific defenders and leave them unblocked. This gives the offense a +1 advantage at the point of attack as defenders take themselves out of plays (if run correctly). That's the beauty of Meyer's Spread Option. It incorporates the strengths of the Spread passing game with the Option running game. It makes perfect sense to compare Tebow and Cam and "knowledgeable" football people have been doing it since Cam was at Auburn. What you saw from Cam this year was a QB working in a system that seriously played to his strengths. Chudzinksi did a great job with it and Carolina will be tearing people up pretty soon. Also, it doesn't bother me to say that Cam is a more polished passer than Tebow. He was used to taking snaps under center as that is what he did at Blinn JC. He also has much better mechanics than Tebow.
Denver fans do try to rewrite history about that whole thing to make it sound like a bunch of gator fans flew 1500 miles to buy up all the tickets just to chant Tebows name. The folks chanting his name would have been chanting for Quinn were he the one taken in the first round with 4 years left on his contract. They can act all high and mighty now, but the truth is it was Denver fans that were doing the chanting, not Tebow fans. Will there be some idiots chanting for Tebow this year, yes, were there some idiots chanting for Brunell last year, I'm certain there were. It happens to a few QBs who havent cemented their starter role every year. All Sanchez has to do to shut them up is perform
Well thanks for kicking me that knowledge professor. After my 25 plus years of watching/playing/coaching/loving/eating/breathing football -- someone finally told me what the difference between the spread and the spread option is. I could never figure that out before. When I said "Quick Answer" last night it's because I was piss wasted at 230AM trying to type on a touch screen with fat fingers. But thank you for that post. It was so well written and thought out I thought Herman Edwards was whispering it in my ear. I'm not arguing Carolina did a great job with Newton last year. I'm arguing that Denver did a WAY better job with a worse QB -- and according to you a worse team. It's so funny that you think Cam is a "more polished passer" than Tebow. If you think those balls that tebow throws are going to get any better you are out of your damn mind. Kid has horrible mechanics and a terrible arm. This is his third season. When does he plan on polishing up his throwing skills? Cam Newton came in and threw for 400 plus on his first game. Yeah I think it's safe to say he's a bit more polished.
Clearly you are the Alpha Male of football knowledge and general badassery, i'll just move along while i still have my lunch money
Glad to see that you can come up with excuses. Guess your being piss wasted explains why you think Spread Option is run with a RB at the QB position or that it's a more run oriented offense. And no, Denver did not do "way better" job with a worse QB. Again, the reason they won most of the games they did was that the playbook was thrown out late in he 4th. Would have loved to have seen what could have happened if they actually did what you and others have claimed. Oh no, Cam came in and threw for 400+ in his first game. Newsflash, Tebow threw for 300+ in his second game. Not bad for a guy who supposedly can't throw, huh ?>?
Tebow has a very strong arm. I don't think you have ever watched an NFL game Tebow played in except the one where he ran over the Jets with his legs, Tebow needs better anticipation, better footwork . He does not have a terrible arm. He did have a looping release that has mostly vanished (it does rear its ugly head here and there ) . I also like the declaration that he will NEVER get better even though he has started only 16 games and when compared to the other 31 starters in the NFL and their first 16 games he would rank in the top 15 of the group (for first 16 starts). You would think that someone that has watched football for 25 years would know better........ and oh by the way I have watched for 35 years .
