Actually, there's a very simple reason explaining why it is you are wrong. If the OC draws up a great game plan and calls the right plays, the QB still has to EXECUTE that game plan, run those plays and throw those passes. When he does so, most people will give him the credit for the win. If the OC draws up a terrible game plan, bad play calls, wrong protection schemes, wrong "constraint" plays, etc, the team will probably lose. Think about the Pitt game. Do people blame Troy Polamalu or Harrison ? Nope. They blame Dick LaBeau's game plan for the most part.
I think u must be talking about u. Do u really think from what u seen from Tebow throwing the ball he would be a starting QB right now?
So, Sanchez is 4-2 in the playoffs and a winner, Tebow is 1-1 and mediocre at best. The funny thing is, your reasoning for why Tebow is great, when applied to Sanchez makes Sanchez the beter QB. Better win percentage, beter playoff win percentage, etc. Bottom line, Elway did not think Tebow would be positive part of the Broncos going forward. He felt strong enough about that to give the JETS 2.5M to insure the trade happened. And, Tebow chose NY not because of the chance to he a starting QB, but because it is a bigger stage to promote his cause. He has stated this in the past that his cause/message was more important than football. If he wanted to be the guy, he would have went to Jacksonville.
As of the end of last season, Sanchez was the better QB in my opinion and I have said so repeatedly. Sanchez also has the benefit of having more experience with more snaps as a starter, so he SHOULD be a better QB than Tebow. As for coming to the Jet's, why wouldn't Tebow prefer to go to a team where the coaches actually wanted him and had a role for him to play, versus going to a team where the coaches and the FO would resent having him forced down their throats by the owner ?
I'm not sure what you are arguing exactly, but football isn't that black and white Players not executing can lead to the OC then panicking and choosing bad plays etc. Also a OC can draw up a terrible game play, but the players could make plays and make it look brilliant. On the opposite end, the OC could draw a beautiful gameplan the players can ruin it. It is best to judge a playcall before you see the result. However by the time you see the formation, the routes/blocking/etc, the play is over and people judge the play based on what happened. I think the best relation is when a player takes a shot in basketball. Kobe takes lots of bad shots, but they are overlooked because they go in the basket. Just because they go in, doesn't mean its a good shot. On the other hand if he is cold and is wide open and misses a 3, it is not a bad shot. It is a good shot, but the ball didn't happen to go in.
Thing is, people were often calling the plays BEFORE the Broncs lined up on the LoS. Seriously. They were that predictable. People were apoplectic about it in "game day" threads. Also, you can look at the defensive alignment and understand what kind of plays to run against it. Then, you look at the plays that were run and you just shake your head. In the playoff game against the Pats for example, they were running a 5-2 defense. Some might argue that it was actually a 3-4, but that they ran a lot of blitzes, but, when you have 3 down linemen and 2 LBs standing on the LoS and all of them rushing for most of the game, that's a 50 defense. If you are running option, spread, or spread option and are faced with a 5-2, there are a number of ways to attack it. McCoy's playcalling shows that he apparently either didn't realize they were in a 5-2, or, he didn't know how to attack it as he kept going right to the strength of it. BTW, I'm not saying that Tebow didn't play a bad game. He missed some passes that he should have hit and he made a couple of bad reads/decisions on Option plays. Did find out later that some of those bad option reads came after he was injured, which might explain why he handed the ball off when he should have kept it and ran.
he was an 8-5 with a team that was the worst in the NFL going back 2 years. yeah I think he can start at QB.
HE was blah blah blah, WITH the worst team in the league over th past span of blah blah blah kyle orton in comparison bal blah BLAH. Youre like a broken record dude. The bolded parts up there pretty much say everything there is to know about your opinion. Its biased. You can swear up and down that Tebow didnt win the games by himself but you obviously believe that tebow is just so unbelievably good that he won in spite of his team. Which is utterly ridiculous. He was JUST good enough to get it done WITH the help of his team mates. Thats why there was always comebacks and last minute dramatic incredible victories because he was JUST good enough to get it done when it mattered. Trust me, thats a great quality to have, hes a great player. The Jets have gone after him because of these traits and his desire to win. He can apply those qualities and traits in other roles better suited to him though. This is not going to be the Denver Broncos 2.0, they are going to try something completely different. If shit goes south might they change it up, of course. It could be they cut the Tebow packages out, or it could be that they try something similar to what the broncos did, but I believe that would only happen after they completely exhausted all possibilities with Mark Sanchez which wouldnt happen till the 4th qtr of the season. Of course thats a possibility, however as of right now thats all it is. A possibility. The assumed reality that the team is going on is that this guy Tebow is...well just another guy on the team, not THE team which you have so clearly illustrated is your belief.
So you are saying experience has a major role in the 2 players progressions?Are you accounting for the 33 more college games tebow played over Sanchez? So lets compare after their first 16 games. Tebow comes into the league with 55 college games under his belt. He then sits behind tbe starter for about a season rand learns the offense. He surprises the league with a gimmick thats figured out by years end. Pulls out a nice win in Pittsburgh (i guess lebeau didnt watch tape of the last 5 games) and then gets slaughtered by NE (his new division rival). Mark sanchez is drafted with 22 college games under his belt to the media capitol of the world where the in town rival is fesh off a sb win. He starts from day one in an offense he had to learn under center. Has ups and downs at start of the year but finishes up strong. Goes into san Diego and cinci and plays lights out. Wins 2 road games and makes it to afc chamlionship game. Outplays a hall of fame qb in the first half only to have his team blow a lead (see peyton manning/lito Sheppard) in the second half. go ahead and bring up how you think sanchez regressed last year and then ill tell you a little story about 2 men named schottenheimer and hunter. Where tebow had an OC that ran an offense fit for his skill set sanchez had the opposite. Along with the worst RT in football. Tebow can't put up the points to beat the pats. Sanchez can and has. In the regular season in the playoffs in new england.
I could be wrong, because im not doing research on a forum but from his post and yours it seems you both understand that Sanchez will be the starting Qb and be handing of and giving a few snaps to a gadget player named Tebow. This is going to be an exciting offense to watch. With a utility guy like Tebow with his abilities to spice up a Sanchez led offense, man i cant wait.
I understand that's how the season will start. But when you trade for a polarizing character and most popular backup qb ever to a team thats so poorly managed you are asking for a qb controversy that shouldn't be there. The te-tards will be calling for Sanchez's head by week 3of the pre season.and thisfront office will eveventually over react and set this team back another 5 years
Nah man. Thats just all the specualtion and media machine gettin to ya. We werent as bad a team last year as was made out to be, just terribly inconsistent. we arent doing a major overhaul we are just finally committing to what weve been sayin for the past 3 years. GROUND AND POUND. 1st move, fire schotty. done 2nd, Sparano, likes power running 3rd, Tebow, perfect fit for his role in this O, aka not QB This is gonna be great.
You have obviously been a jets fan before this fiasco but i gotta know do you watch the moves this team makes? The owner is interested in one thing - media coverage. They dont mention mark sancbez name 100 times in 40 mins on sports center. We will reconvene week 8 and see where fhis stands. I jhst have no faith in this front office. But for both our sake i hope YOU are right!
How can you complain about an offensive coordinator and FO that completely changed the offense and some personnel to suit Tebows strengths? I really dislike the Broncos, but you have to give the coaching staff all the credit in the world on how they revamped the offense to a college type offense. Problem is once it is on tape and teams have seen it on the field, it doesn't work any more as your base offense. Denver knows this, most of the league knows this.
Sure, Tebow had more experience in college with 3 years as a starter and coming in and running certain packages during his Freshman year. No doubt about that. Sanchez had the benefit of working in a "pro style" offense at USC and taking snaps under center. IIRC, Tebow didn't take a snap from under center until he got to the NFL. He ran spread option at Nease High School and also at Florida. Sanchez has more NFL experience. Quite a bit more. That can't be discounted. It gives a QB a chance to learn what "NFL speed" is as far as the defense goes. You know, just how fast defenders can close on the ball in coverage. It also gives the QB the opportunity to watch NFL defenses from right on the field, a "first person" view, as opposed to seeing things on tape, which might be from different perspectives. This is important in better learning how to read defenses. You can see how defenders turn their hips or shoulders out in certain circumstances. Basically, little "tells" giving away the coverage they will be in. I guess if you want, you can try to compare the level of experience that each have, but I'd take the NFL experience over the college experience in a heartbeat. As far as the "regression" from last year, believe it or not, we see it much the same way. When I was on the Denver forum, I kept getting accused of making excuses when I pointed out that McCoy's play calling sucked. It sucked overall while Tebow was QB AND it sucked when Orton was QB. Then again, McCoy had virtually no experience actually running an offense or calling plays. In 2010, McDaniels ran the offense and did the play calling right up until he got fired. Then, when Studesville was named as interim coach for the last 4 games of the 2010 season, McCoy took over the play calling for the first time. And no, McCoy and Fox did not run an offense best geared towards Tebow's skill set. To do that, they should have run the Spread Option as their base offense with Tebow working out of the gun for every single play. Instead, the put Tebow under center much of the time and threw in a number of option plays that could be run out of the gun. As for lousy assed RT's, the Broncos have Orlando Franklin and in my estimation, he's probably as bad as, if not worse than Hunter. To sum it up, it's almost impossible for a QB to have a "good" season if he has a line that can't provide protection, receivers who can't catch/won't run routes/can't get open, and/or an OC running a poor system with lousy play calling. In that regard, it's my opinion that both Sanchez and Tebow faced some of the very same hindrances last year.
For starters, I'm thinking that Rex will do things much the same way Urban Meyer did with Chris Leak and Tebow during Tebow's freshman season. Leak was the starter and played a huge majority of the snaps, and Tebow came in whenever Meyer felt like it, usually in short yardage situations, but sometimes, airing the ball out.
