Absolutely true. It's also easy to be considered a defensive genius when you've got Reed, Lewis and the like, on your defense. I don't really agree with letting Rex off the hook for this teams lack of talent. I find it hard to believe that Rex isnt pushing the cart around the store with Tanny as they shop for the groceries. The jury on Rex is still out as far as I'm concerned, I'm still not a believer in "players coaches".
the problem with this is we could be saying the same thing again in 4 years.it never stops.but here is a coach who has some success and is a first timer. whats wrong with giving him some extra time to see if he could put it together?
That did it for me. I've asked before and I'll ask again. How long have you, as a poster, been a JETS fan? For me, 32 years. I've seen Coslet, Kotite, Edwards, etc. I hate this shit as much, if not more, than all of you do. Who has a favorite baseball, hockey, basketball team? You do? I don't. I got this one. I am, if nothing else, a JETS fan. I hate this crap no less than the rest of you but we have GOT to give RYAN a shot. When was the last time a fan of the JETS saw a back-to-back AFCC performance? Anyone? The dude, QB, RB, lack of tackeling/depth, ect. ALL deserve a pass. NO Revis. No Holmes(don't like him either) Shitty GM(and for the record, He's the first piece I would remove. Since owner isn't an option). The Cower statement did it for me. Wouldn't hate the idea of either him or gruden coming here but if you took the time to look at all of the introcusies of their careers you'd notice one thing. It wasn't overnight. It took time. Give Ryan time and give this friggin' QB time. It's not entirely their faults.
The problem with bringing in a new GM is they usually want to bring in there own Coach. And I still want Rex as our coach even if that means keeping Tannenbaum.Tannenbauem needs to write this ship next offseason he more then anyone knows what a mess this offense has turned out to be. We need more then Holmes,we need another top tier WR and a few midlevel WR's, and another TE, not to mention the OLINE and RB , what a mess this offense is
you are not going to see another top tier wr added. for better or worse hill is our #2 wr for the next season. hopefully he pans out. the only improvements that will probably be made is at rb and along the line. due to cap restrictions most of these will be in the form of draft picks. so i don't for see too much improvement unless they really hit on a 1st rd og/rt
How much more time? I need to see improvement by the end of Rex's contract in 2014 or else he has to walk the plank. We've had too many recent coaches and FO staff personnel doing the OJT. Enough is enough. This isn't some small market team, this is New York/New Jersey. Woody needs to revamp his FO and bring in an established management team to lay down a sound foundation on which to build a successful franchise. Right now, we don't have that anywhere in the organization from the Pres to the GM on down to the Talent evaluators. Another 13 years (using Cowher as a reference)? What has Rex shown to deserve that kind of consideration? Two poorly played AFCCG games? Two years of lockerroom discord? Lacking a working knowledge of how modern NFL offenses operate with a obvious bias towards defense? No credibility among the fanbase AND the media due to his incessant bragging and uber optimistic view of an obviously flawed team? Time for Woody's franchise and fanbase to wake up and smell the coffee. As presently constituted, this franchise's personnel (FO/CS and Player) limitations will keep it secondary both in the AFC and in this market. If you're not improving, you're falling behind. 2025 is a long way off and I just havn't seen anything in Rex's body of work so far to allow for that kind of patience. You'd be surprised just how fast 13 years fly by. Just ask the Detroit Lions or the Chicago Cubs. They both have more history with this sort of thing than we do.
i'd say the end of the contract is a good guide to how long a leash he has. definitely not this year .i understand the frustration. i have been around since joe walton. but i am also tired of the coaching carousel.stability is a core ingredient in a winning franchise. this franchise has never had that.
Call me crazy but I'm not too worried about WR. I think we can add a true #2 without killing our cap, plus have the hope that Hill can cure the butter fingers. That, along with Kearly showing flashes and Gates looking promising, I think we will be ok as Sanchez becomes more comfortable with these guys. I'd much rather see us spend $ to bring in a really good RB, one who could keep defenses honest and take away Sanchez' title of being the most blitzed QB in the league. I'm not sure what, if any, upper tier RB's will be available but maybe a trade could be worked out or something, who knows? O- line desperately needs addressing as does depth on both sides of the ball. LB's are showing some promise, with some of the young guys looking solid, but a blue chipper at that position would really put this defense over the top.
I agree, but that "Core" has to be successful. That "Core" has to have the right idea on how to build and sustain a franchise. That "Core" has to know what it's doing and have a successful blueprint. That blueprint comes from prior successes. Trying to reinvent the modern NFL offense into something that has long since seen its better days is futile. Trying to parlay draft picks into lighting in a bottle rarely works and so far for us, it hasn't. That's my point. For far too long, Woody has been trying to catch lighting in a bottle. Its time to let the grownups run the franchise. I'm talking established franchise builders up top supported by established coaches in the middle and established talent evaluators at the field level.
He should stay until his contract ends. If the results do not improve, the Jets should find a new coach.
if there is any $ to spend, spend it on a lb. i'd like to see the bulk of the draft used on offense. get a rb and 2 ol. get a good amount of quality youth this year so either mark has what he needs or the next qb is stepping into a good situation.
It must have been easy to take what was an average D to number 1 overall including the number 1 passing D with only Revis as a star. Also with 0 pass rush.
You know in real life it isn't always that way. By that I mean replaceing the GM will automatically mean a new HC. Think of real life. Have none of you ever gotten a new boss and still seen the same employees the next day. RR can win games. Sparano seems to lack in that dept. A new GM would/should want to accomplish what we have been screaming fo for 40+ years. WIN. A friggin' Super Bowl. Jesus, once before I die, please. And be honest with yourselves, who do you think gives us the best opportunity to do that? Really? Who would you rather have? Cower? How long did it take him? Gruden? How long did it take him? I'm talking career nos. Not HC tenure. Cause you have to remember the team each inherited. How about a top notch college guy? How many of them got their teams to where RR got us in their first 2 years? How about we break from the normal 3 and done norm and give are most sucessful coach a chance to DO HIS JOB.
The reality is that barring a season-ending collapse for the second year in a row Rex and Tanny and Sanchez will all be back next season. They all have contracts that run through 2014 and Sanchez is guaranteed for next year and would be a painful cut to put it mildly. Matching that reality for us is the fact that Rex, Tanny and Sanchez aren't getting us any further along next year than we were this year. The talent still isn't going to be there to compete consistently with the elite teams and the cap is going to prevent Woody from deciding to go all-in on free agents again to prop the team. That means a rebuilding year next year and Sanchez likely gone at the end of it and the Rex and Tanny playing out the string in 2014 and needing a miracle to get the Jets the big wins they need to keep their jobs. The Super Bowl is in Met Life Stadium that year and after it has passed so will this era in Jets history. A better attuned organization would cut the string on Tanny and Rex after this season. The Cowher argument for keeping Rex is a terrible one. Cowher came in after a very stale period in Steelers history and took the team to 6 playoff appearances in a row and a Super Bowl appearance in his 4th season. He had an excellent organization behind him that had made the critical error of not retiring Chuck Noll when he lost his effectiveness in the mid 80's. That's the mistake they made: sticking with a 50+ coach who had already made his bones and was not hungry enough. It's the same mistake Philly has made with Andy Reid the last few seasons. Most coaches who are going to win a Super Bowl with a team do it fairly quickly after taking over the reigns, within a few seasons. The Cowhers and the McCarthy's are the exception to the rule not the model.
Rex Ryan is a coach who is learning as he goes. There are hall of fame coaches that have been beat up in games along the way and persevered to ultimately become great coaches. One Example Is Bill Belichick. Strangely Rex seemed to pit himself against bill mainly because they have followed similar paths and of course because the Road to a super bowl would probably mean having to beat the Pats every year. Does Rex Get to shop for the Groceries? Does Rex have any say over the offense and how its employed? Does Rex Ryan run the defense in games or is it Petine? These question would have to be answered to be able to pass judgment on Rex. The only Negative I see in our coach is he runs his mouth and does not behave like a mature adult from time to time. He is more like one of the loud mouth players he coaches , then a leader of a football team. remember I said time to time! The only person's that I am faulting right now is Sanchez for extremely poor football decisions on the field and Tannenbaum for fostering a culture of fuck you ;we can just find someone else who can poorly fill your shoe's if you dont like what Im offering you. ...........
