Yep, negotiating in good faith this off-season will produce dividends next year and in the negotiations to follow. By negotiating in good faith I mean making a reasonable offer that at least hits the mid-range for good starting DE's in the NFL at this point. If Mo Wilk sacks 15+ guys next year then you start looking at the potential for a JJ Watt type deal (Watt has sacked 20 in a season). By then you'll know what a JJ Watt deal looks like also because the Texans will have laid it all out for the NFL to analyze. If Mo Wilk has another year like this year, well that mid-range $8M a year type deal is probably a fair offer.
The problem with paying the man now to stay on good terms with him and save us money in the long run is yes, Wilk will be happy in 2014, but how happy will he be in 2016,17,18 when he's only making half of what he 'could' be making elsewhere if he hadn't signed an early, low ball offer? If Mo Wilk becomes bitter playing under his low dollar rookie contract now, then he would become bitter down the road playing under his medium dollar 'extended early' contract in a few years. So....fuck him. Make him play all 6 years for free. Then worry about it.
That's an awful lot of stretching on your part in my opinion. First of all the 6 years are not free. He's going to make the Franchise Tag number in the 6th year, which is very hefty for a DE, and in the process will deprive the Jets of the tag. Secondly, Mo Wilk has shown no disposition to bitterness over anything. Quite the opposite, he has been a very positive player in terms of his overall disposition. Thirdly, getting a good payout now with a lot of guaranteed money is probably the best thing that could happen to Mo Wilk short of getting an extreme payout with a lot of guaranteed money. Since I think we can all agree that an extreme payout would be unwise at this point the next best option is to take the big lump of cash the Jets might be offering. Not everybody is Darrelle Revis, focused like a laser on wringing every last dollar out of their career. Some guys really are interested in playing in the best possible situation in a system that makes them better and for coaches and fans who really appreciate them.
We should definitely give it to him now. You don't want to have to extend too many players in one season and there is going to be more guys we need to resign next year. Also, we need to resign Wilk before his price tag balloons.
Could probably get a deal done in the ball park of around $5M over 5 years with $15M guaranteed... That would be a steal!! That would give us some extra $$ to pony up for Orakpo on the outside too :wink:
The Jets long term interests will be best served by signing Wilkerson to a long term deal this offseason rather than taking this new option for 2015. First of all,any concerns with his salary cap in 2014 can potentially be null in void. They can negotiate the terms so he doesn't make a great deal more, if at all, in 2014 and just tag on the bulk of his deal over the next several years, as would be done anyhow. SO any benefit of doing so can be maintained. Secondly, Its better for him to have a contract that can be renegotiated over time, locking him up for a long term deal doesn't mean paying him all he's owed forever, if he's not worth it over time the Jets can just move the non guaranteed money up to a point without guaranteed cash owed. theres very little risk of overpaying that way, the only bit of money that MATTERS is that which is guaranteed, and that should only last maybe 4 years. structure that well and the length and overall number won't matter, the team will be in full control due to not having the risk of losing him (probably the biggest thing driving up contract $$$ in any case) be a factor. If the team sees him as a long term asset without much risk of regressing over the next half decade they should sign him to a long term deal, rather than play chicken by letting his value potentially get higher just to make room for more cap space in 2014, not that this is necessary.
Little different with the way the CBA is set up I believe. Also, when Harris was resigned it was considered a pretty good deal. Unfortunately there was a 2 year stretch where Harris's production fell off a cliff which made the deal look like garbage.
Sign him now. This guy has as much to do with the Jets potential success in the near future as anyone.
You can't pay him two years ahead.. We should let him play out this year. We can sign him next year. When Revis signed paid-ahead deal, toward end of the contract, he complained about lower he was paid, but he totally forget there was money paid ahead in his contract. I am not saying he is same kind of person Revis, but you don't want to pay him now, then two year late, he is talking about holding out...
id sign him with an incentive laden contract where if his production goes up so does his compensation. seems fair enough to me where hes locked up and has the potential for that big payday
Agree... Don't try and lowball him either.. Guy is a top 3 DL in the league and we need to pay him like one... It will help with future negotiations with other players, as they will know that if they play lights out, we will reward them... Free agents will want to come here as they will see that we treat our players right... How we handle his contract will have ripple effects throughout the league and this organization... Do the right thing Idzik.
Mo Wilk is top 10 not top 3. That's still a very good player given that about 120 players start on the DL in the NFL. Off the top of my head: 1. JJ Watt 2. Suh 3. Robert Quinn 4. Greg Hardy 5. Cameron Wake 6. Julius Peppers Now we get into the realm where Mo Wilk plays into things. In terms of young DL he is top 3 or 4 but overall he's still not elite, not yet. edit: I left off the Bengal's 3T, that was probably a mistake because he's a monster, he just got hurt this year.
I totally disagree. He has been a great player and citizen. He isn't a greedy SOB like Revis. Pay the man. Show him the love and respect. They can and should (imo) make a good faith offer of a contract with fairly easily reached incentives that will increase as his production increases and have a fair base guarantee. Other Jets and players around the NFL will be watching. It doesn't matter how much they might love Rex, if the Jets play hardball and lowball their best players and don't show them the proper respect and appreciation, no one will want to play here.
By whom? 99% of the Jets fans on the board where I was posting at the time thought that Harris was WAAAAAAAAAAY overpaid. He's paid like he is Patrick Willis and he isn't. Even at his best, Harris has never deserved a contract like he got. Never.
In terms of DL (takes in a lot of players) I agree. In terms of 3-4 DEs, I think he's probably the 2nd best in the NFL only behind JJ Watt.
That's true, however if you look just at 3-4 defensive linemen you have to put Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork in the conversation also. The Jets don't play a straight 3-4. That's one of the reasons Mo Wilk ranks where he does. He's very effective at 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT (with Pace or Douzable in a 3 point stance outside) and 4-3 DE (Ellis and Harrison inside).
