Why do you think NFL teams draft 5-10 defensive lineman in the first round every year and, at most, one to two interior lineman? Why do defensive lineman make much more than centers? NFL teams put different values on different positions. You can see that in the size of the contracts plays get in free agency and how teams draft. Center is on the low end of the value chart; versatile DE/DTs are at the high end.
^ what is your point exactly? No team would trade the anchor of their offensive line, especially of a line protecting their young franchise QB, for a defensive end. Even a beast of a defensive end.
Not all first round picks are created equal. The #30 pick is worth 620, the #4 pick is worth 3 times that: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670 Brick was a #4 pick and Sanchez was a #5 pick. Revis was a #14 pick. We have the #30 pick this year and probably something around #24-#32 in 2012. If we traded both picks to go up, we might be able to get to #18 this year. Heck, even with a favorable valuation, the best you'd get for those 2 picks is the #15 pick. Draft pick compensation-wise, you're talking about giving up a #18 pick for Ngata. Now if you're talking about the Panthers giving up 2 #1 picks, that's a different story. But because we're a good team, the price isn't anywhere near as steep. A #18 (or even #15 pick) for Ngata is a freaking steal. Ngata was drafted #12 so we wouldn't have even been able to get him this cheap in 2006.
because centers rotate into the other center positions on the o-line. I believe this is in line with your thinking.
The franchise tag removes any trade opportunities for Ngata. As another poster mentioned, you don't give up 2 first rounders for anyone outside of maybe a proven QB who would fit perfectly in your system. The NFL has become a young league, driven by salary cap. Especially with the rookie cap being inevitable, you need first round picks and need to make them count. Many posters here also do not seem to realize how special a player Ngata actually is though. Re-watch some Balt games. Impossible to run directly at, collapses pockets from the interior, and is agile enough to play any DL position in any front. Have even seem him effectively drop into coverage. That my friends is a difference maker who is difficult to game plan around. Top 5 defensive player easily in my opinion.
Ugh. Why is everyone treating the 2 first rounders as if they're #5 picks overall? They're #30 this year and somewhere south of #24 next year. Added up, it's worth about #18 this year. This isn't 1995. This is 2011. We have a VERY late #1 pick guys! Just watch, someone's going to ask what it would take to move up to take such-and-such player targeted around #15 and it'll be clear that the only asset that'll vault us that high is next year's 1st. Ngata is better anyone we could take at #5, let alone #18 or #30.
Wow. It doesn't matter where the picks are located. It's a matter of long term sustained success. This team isn't one player away where you trade the farm for him. This isn't madden either.
Again we don't have a uncapped league here. What's nice going forward is the rookie pay-scale being put in place. Obviously no pick is a lock but I like our chances. Any idiot would want Ngata on their team but it's not realistic. I wouldn't trade any of our key players for him either. Just like Mick said Mangold is too important because of Sanchez. Haloti Ngata is estimated to earn $12 million in 2011. I've said this numerous times but I'll say it again. I'd rather keep Holmes/Edwards to help Sanchez, especially going into his 3rd year in which he could have a HUGE year. Harris is a key component for Rex, as is Revis, but beyond that it's my belief that Rex can coach up any defense and we'll be good. Who knows, maybe our offense is top dog next year. Sanchez will realize the importance of every single game now and will play with urgency, which is when he's at his best.
if we had picks 2-7 for the next two years, a better edge rusher and a coverage safety id say go for it. that being said, we dont so the daydream ends.
I hate that draft conversion chart that is based on points. I'd personally rather have the 24th and the 30th pick than just the 16th pick or whatever,
Considering how much Seymore got from the Raiders, Ngata would be tough to sign even if the Jets had to give up zero draft picks. If Ngata is cheap salary then I'd consider the two first rounders. Ngata is a difference maker. If he's on the DL, I don't see Pitt dominating the line of scrimmage in first half of AFC championship game & then it's Jets in SB. Two late first round picks + huge salary = too much for Ngata. Unless: If Sanchez, Revis, Mangold, Scott, D'Brickshaw were near the ending of their careers then I'd do it out of desparation becaue the Jets SB run window is closing.
People hate the chart because the league-wide preference is to trade down. But if you look at our history, the best picks have come when we've traded UP. Revis, Harris, Keller and Sanchez were all gotten because we traded up. To me, this is like trading up. If he could be had for a decent salary (a big IF) and can fit under the cap, it's totally worth it IMO.
It isn't a big if, it isn't an if it all. It is an impossibility. Cool fantasy but it is time to come back to reality and realize this is not totally worth it in this world.
I think people hate the chart because each team makes it's own chart based on their own needs every year and some generalized chart posted on ESPN 7 years ago is about as accurate as the weatherman trying to predict a tornado a month in advance after a severe head injury. That chart you are posting is useless, even as a general frame of reference.
