Keller is very important to this team, Wilson could end up being a top corner in the league. Our drafts have been solid, and 2006 was insane. Brick, Mangold, Eric Smith, Brad Smith, Leon, and Drew Coleman. (The standouts.) So using your same logic we'd give up Brick and Mangold for Ngata. Or Mangold and Sanchez, or Sanchez and Revis. Hell Harris was picked in the 4th in 07 the same year we drafted Revis. With our current cap issues we need to take advantage of the hopefully in place rookie payscale.
You have no idea what you have in Wilson...and yet you're willing to dump him after 1 year, and basically the top Center in the league....for a DE. LOL! Is your username an oxymoron?
You keep acting like DEs aren't important. I have no idea why you say this. EDIT: I have some idea what we have in Wilson: we have a player who was a starting corner at the start of training camp (although third on the depth chart behind Revis) but who got passed by Coleman, Cole, and Lowery during the season. He might get better but he had plenty of chances to play and he was only getting in on "Dollar" packages by the end of the season.
They're important, not as important as a 4-3 pass rushing DE though. I don't think I would trade Mangold for Ngata straight up either. Mangold for Clay Matthews, I'd do that.
I was also upset he wasn't playing over guys like Lowery and Coleman but the truth is that nickle back isn't his natural position. He's an outside #1 or #2 CB.
I'd trade our 2011 1st rounder in a heartbeat for Ngata, and I'd probably include a 4th or 5th rounder to sweeten the deal. He is proven elite talent, and he's extremely versatile, which Ryan loves. And as WSW said, you can't trade 2 1st rounders for anybody but a QB. And even that turns out to be a mistake most times. Trading the best center in the game, plus a developing 1st round corner for Ngata? Dumb.
You don't understand line play or positional scarcity. It's pure folly to discuss trades like this anyway-trading a player makes their pro-rated bonuses hit your cap early so nobody trades good players with a lot of time on their contracts.
I won't go back to see whether you or your partner in idiocy, dcm, started this conversation that you are now calling pure folly but you sure spent a lot of time on it either way. Your point sucks, you now admit it sucks, yet you are still acting like you are right. You are supposed to use jedi mind tricks on others, not yourself.
id prolly do the trade but its not financially possible if the jets wanna remain in good cap standing could we manage it in 2011 maybe but by 2012 we would fucked cap wise and then the jets wont be able to resign anyone or getting any quality free agents
The Mangold-Ngata trade is a cap impossibility but anyone that wouldn't make that trade in half a second, cap aside, has zero understanding of football. Mangold's terrific but a dominant defensive lineman like Ngata is much more valuable than a center seven days of the week.
Hey lets trade Drew Coleman straight up for Suggs. or M. Cole straight up for Suh. Since we are talking hypothetical nonsense lets trade a first, a second, Sanchez and a ticket to Rex's podiatrist for A. Rodgers....
I guess we should call up 31 GM's (Al Davis is about as dumb as this) and tell them they have zero understanding of football.
Would you give up 3 first round picks for Joe Montana as a rookie to play in 2011 if it meant you couldn't also take this franchises equivalent of Roger Craig, Ronnie Lott and Steve Young? This is an important offseason issue that should be addressed.
