When Brady utilizes the option or playaction from the Shotgun, the threat is that he'll hand it off or pass it; there's NEVER any threat of him also keeping it and running. But there doesn't need to be any threat of Brady running with it because he's a proficient passer. In order for Tebow to be a threat in the Option, he must have rushing attempts because, unlike Brady, Tebow is not a proficient passer; so the threat of him running compensates for his inadequacy as a passer -- without rushing attempts, there is no threat. And therein lies the problem: a QB who must rush the ball in order to be effective. This is something that teams do not seek now (and probably ever) in their QB. The NFL hasn't had QBs who also run (beyond scrambling) because organizations are aware of historical evidence, i.e. pocket-passers as the best chance to win a Super Bowl AND lead a competitive, successful squad every year. It's not just about 1 season and how far a team gets; it's about contending each season. We can all agree that RBs have shortest shelf-life because they take repeated punishment from running the ball. The more a QB runs the ball, the more hits he will take -- this equals more punishement which equals greater injury risk. Teams want to avoid injuries to the QB because the QB is the only player who's capable of throwing the ball. The ball travels much faster through the air than it does while it's in someone's arm. Since only one player on the team (the QB) can move the ball through the air, then that player becomes the most important. Therefore, the most important player (the QB) should be protected more than any other player and avoid situations (for example, running with ball) that increase a risk of injury. It doesn't matter how punishing of a runner Tebow might be. Peyton Hillis is a bruiser, but that hasn't prevented him from wearing down in a season or, more currently, avoid a hamstring issue. Eventually, if Tebow runs the ball enough, he'll either: (a) get blown up by a defender in the open field; (b) suffer from attrition; or (c) be the victim of an unfortunate tackle/pile up/etc. All three outcomes lead to a risk of injury if not an injury itself, which could be minimized or avoided by running less and remaining in the pocket where there's protection. This is about as elementary of a concept as it gets. No drastic change or evolution to the QB position is imminent. As Cam Newton progresses and becomes more comfortable with the NFL, you'll see him running much less and remaining in the pocket more because that's where he's the safest, and that's where he can operate using his skill of throwing the football, which is what the QB does because no one else can.
You might be surprised to find that I wholeheartedly agree that Tebow needs to become a good passer. Without that, the Spread Option would be about as effective as trying to run 100% of the time from the I formation. Doesn't matter whom the RB is, a team won't be successful like that. The question is, IF the QB (Tebow or someone else) IS a more than competent passer, will the Spread Option work ? Yes and no on this one as you appear to be talking about two different things. I agree that RBs have the shortest shelf life. But I don't think that is due to single incident injuries, so to speak. But rather, to the overall wear and tear from carrying the ball so much. A cumulative kind of thing. As far as actual injury risk to the QB, with QBs that have Tebow's and Cam's size and strength, that is much less of a concern. They actually face more danger standing in the pocket and getting crushed by Dlinemen or a blitzing LB. Smaller, "fragile" QBs like Vick ? Yeah, they risk being hurt anytime they get hit. Peyton Hillis takes many more hits per game than a running QB would. He's in there blocking on pass plays, lead blocking on run plays, and running right into the Dline in short yardage situations. You have to account for those differences. I understand your reasoning, and yes, it is in fact sound. That said, it doesn't mean that your conclusion is correct. I mean, it's like if I ask for 2 numbers that when added together equals 12. There's more than 1 right answer. With the explosion of Spread/Spread Option systems in high school and college, you are going to have more and more QBs coming from those systems, and fewer and fewer QBs coming from "pro" systems. That's an impact on the "supply" side of the equation. Also consider that even when there were more "pro" systems, "elite QBs" coming out of those systems were few and far between. I mean, this last draft, Andrew Luck was seen as the best prospect since John Elway. Elway was drafted back in '83. That was 29 years ago. Even if you throw Peyton Manning in, that's 3 "elite" prospects in 29 years. What about all those other thousands of "pro style" QBs that have come through ? If you have a larger pool of QBs to choose from, and IF those QBs don't have to be as "elite" to be very successful, then it stands to reason that there will be less value place on "elite" QBs. This means that you don't have to be as overprotective of them. If you will, you can have a stable of very good QBs, instead of one highly paid QB and a couple of others just taking up roster spots as insurance. BTW, I mentioned above that the Spread QBs won't have to be "elite" like the "pro" style QBs. What I mean by that is this. Take Aaron Rodgers. Say that he throws for 300 yards per game. What happens if your Spread QB only throws for 225 yards, but also runs for 75 yards per game ? That's the same amount of productivity. On that 3rd and 7 play, it doesn't matter if the QB passes the ball for those 7 yards, or if the QB runs the ball for the same 7 yards. What matters is that the drive gets extended. The Spread QB doesn't have to be as great as the "pro style" QB because the nature of the offense will dictate defensive coverage to some degree, leading to easier passes being open.
The Tebowmania sub forum is the safest place to have a conversation about Jets players that may include Tebow without the risk of having the thread divided into sections and put in different sub forums, which interferes with the continuity of the conversation. BUT don't give up, I'm sure you can find something else about Jets fans that you don't like, to crybaby about.
On second thought, most of us know why we are in the Tebowmania sub forum,,,we have been religated to this forum because the powers that be have decided discussions about a member of the Jets football team does not warrant being discussed in the main Jets forum. The question is; why the hell are you here. FWIW, I like the Tebowmania sub forum. I feel somewhat insulated from 'holier than thou' Jets fans here.
Can you ban me? From the cowboy fan on a jets forum. Did I miss (and I might have) why you think Sanchez is better that the Magic man?
Sanchez is a better passer and thus should start 100% in the Jets conventional set offense. He has proven he can win under extreme pressure specifically in the playoffs going 4-2 with 9 TDs against 3 ints. The fact that so many Jet fans actually doubt him is astounding to me. Give Sanchez better weapons and a better offensive game plan and he will do just fine inside the lines. Where Sanchez seems to fail is in the locker room. He is maligned by his own team mates (anonymously or former ones for sure) and does not seem to do well in off the field chaos. Where he to be a QB for the Steelers or the Patriots he might flourish, a place with a strict and clearly defined locker room system, in the Jets locker room ...not so much. As for Mr. magic , he works best out of the spread option offense or when plays break down. He is exactly what would be needed off the bench or even in starting roll if the offense can not get it done (not because of Sanchez but because of the lack of weapons). He also seems to be the exact opposite of Sanchez off the field. This is not an opinion but an observation based on fact. If for no other reason because it is based on his former team mates, Champ Bailey, Von MIller and Dawkins just to name a few, who went on record stating that Tebow as leader changed the locker room culture from apathy to confidence they can beat any opponent (paraphrasing from many quotes and articles). He is very calm under pressure and it triggers a similar effect on team mates thus boosting late close game performance from everybody.
