People are catapulting the Seahawks to elite because they have a strong defense, a strong rushing game and a young guy at QB who has all the optics of a good young franchise QB and who also put up some numbers last year. The defense is mostly young. The QB is young. It's easy to see why people think the Seahawks are going places. Last year was about the defense. The elite thing will be about the QB in the end. The defense can keep the Seahawks in the conversation but it can't put them over the top.
It's not going to be as exciting as its been in the past offseasons under Tanny, but in the long run Idzik seems like he wants to build a legit consistent winner, which I'll sign up for any day.
I gotta tell ya the last couple of off-seasons weren't exciting they were like a spectacle that you knew was going to end badly. 2008 and 2009 were exciting.
They really put a hurting on the 49ers late in the season. Russel Wilson looks to be a prime-time player at this level. I wonder if he will continue to grow as a player? The Read-Option can only get you so far in this league. Defenses will figure it out, and I think the Ravens put out a blue-print in the SB. They have talent everywhere, way more talent then the 2009 NY Jets IMO on both sides of the ball. We don't even have to get into coaching on the offensive side. They are innovative as it gets.
Idzik is built from the same Exact mold as Tanny they both made there names as cap guys, so ill withhold my judgement on Idzik until year 2 or 3. He isnt the "football guy" that everyone wanted us to get as a GM. So ill wait before i give Idzik any kind of credit or tell what his plan is
Totally disagree. Winning organizations do it through the draft, period. NE, SF, Pitts, Seattle, Atlanta, GB you name it. Of course you need to have a good draft, that is part of having a good scout organization, a savvy GM and a HC and owner on the same page. Unlike second guessing every move and bring in baggage players like Holmes and Tebow and Favre to name a few. Drafting Wilson or Brady or Rodgers was more than luck, it was the insight of a scout that saw the diamond in the rough and did not get BS by the media/expert analyst hype.
The only issues I have with this is that I live here on the west coast and saw first hand how horrible the Seahawks have been. Until they got lucky and found Wilson. and NYJetsRevis24 is correct, two years ago this team was already better than the Seahawks. Keep in mind that the Seahawks are in a weak division too. They got in the playoffs without a winning record, remember that? So if some of you really want this team to be the AFC's version on the Seahawks, then be prepared to be in last place for a long time.
Not even close, Idzik has enough football savvy to know you do not get enamored with a player and over pay him, you do not extend contracts to marginal talent and you build your fundation through the draft. So far so good, the next two draft selections will speak volumes about the differencies between the 2. I can guarantee you we will no loose draft picks or trade up very often.
How exactly have you come to the conclusion that Idzik is not a football guy? Let me guess, you are going by the reports and articles put out by the media. There is no other way of making this claim unless you know him personally and seen him in action. The media attempts to label him as a cap guy and not a football guy, but every single person who has worked with him refuted those claims and said he will surprise everyone in New York. So back to your original comment of him not being a "football guy". I'll believe the people who have worked with him before. I'll save the media bullshit for people like yourself who base their opinion on them.
You could not be more wrong here. Mike Tannenbaum was a good accountant with some experience in other facets of football operations. John Idzik is a football brat, player, coach, personnel guy, football operations guy, who wound up running Seattle's cap (and very well) because that's what they wanted him to do there. Paul Allen has put a lot of effort into building a great organization in Seattle. He's hired top people across the board to make that work. Idzik was an over-hire for the Seahawks. He was a guy they brought in because they wanted to achieve organizational excellence and move forward from that standpoint.
I cant wait til Idzik brings in his own guys as well after the draft especially for that loaded 2014 draft class
I agree that you build through the draft, and you need to have a saavy GM, HC, and owner on the same page. I do not think Seattle belongs in that list though. Second guessing? Lets talk about second guessing with that organization. They gave up a lot of money and resources to acquire Charlie freakin Whitehurst, second guessed that terrible decision and picked up Tarvaris Jackson. - They went all in for Flynn after they second guessed Jackson. Then they struck gold with Wilson..... It's not some grand plan they had.. They've had 5 different starting QBs since 2009, and one other that they paying starting QB money not playing. That's about as disjointed and unorganized as any organization in the league at the QB position... they haven't had some grand plan like the Steelers, NE, SF, GB, etc.. the teams that are consistently good. They had one good year that didn't result in a SB and have a lot of young players looking to cash out. I wouldn't be at all suprized to see them struggling in the coming years. Lastly, if the plan is to have an organization with a good owner, a saavy GM and a HC all on the same page than our Jets are on a bad path. Johnson is all over the place, and Rex and Idzik aren't on the same page...
Mike Tannenbaum had and has more experience than Idzik as a "Football" guy in the NFL. He was an assistant for BB in personal in Cleveland. He worked in the Saints personal department when he was attending law school He was hired as director of player Contracts with the Jets in 97 and worked in all facets of personal including Senior VP of football operations and Assistant GM until he became GM. Idzik is very much like Tannenbaum with less experience.
Really? Lets take a closer look at record Tanny vs Idzik Jets Seahawks 2008 9-7 4-12 2009 9-7 5-11 2010 10-5 7-9 2011 8-8 7-9 Yay, lets be the AFC version of the Seahawks. Woot, enough said....
You checked Tannebaum's wiki page, but you didn't check Idzik's page? He's been around football his entire life, his father worked with the Jets.
It's a QB league and their rookie QB had a great year. Now he very well may have played to best of his abilities and suffer a sophomore slump, but they were a good team last year
They only difference coming in between the two is Idzik's college playing experience and a couple really low level coaching jobs. Graduate Assistantships at UB and Duke.. (aka towel boys) Tannenbaum was in the player personnel departments in Cleveland (working closely with BB) and in NO. Tannenbaum also served as Senior Vice President of Football Operations like Idzik only under Bill Parcells and as an Assistant GM for years as well. He also was in charge of contract negotiations and obviously is a "football brat" --Your post makes it sound like Idzik, (who was never a scout, never a coach higher than a Graduate Assistantship BTW), is some kind of life-long football genius and Tannenbaum was a number crunching accountant who never handled football related tasks that the Jets just put in charge of their football program... that's simply NOT true. I'm keeping a blank slate with Idzik.. it's way too early to be as optimistic as you are as well as too early to be negative...
He will get a bye from the fans and the media for this year only. If the team still sucks next year the drums will start beating loudly.
What does that have to do with people catapulting SEA to the elite class? That's what my quote was referring to, not Jets vs Seahawks. Someone asked why people are putting SEA in the elite category, I responded because they got fantastic QB play in a QB league. Not sure why the Jets have anything to do with it
