Very true, if we can drop to say 22-25 and pick up say Dee Ford in the process then I would be ALL over that as well.
I'd say they're pretty similar actually. Both were pure pass rushers. Both A grade prospects. Their combine numbers are pretty close except Barr only did 15 reps, which is concerning. Barr is bigger but also more raw. He relies more on pure athleticism and explosive speed whereas Irvin had more technique. Barr probably will need some time to progress and be used just as a situational pass rusher like Irvin was at first. The bust potential is higher with Barr. He is very gifted and a sure first rounder but I'd prefer the Jets draft Shazier because he is just as athletic but more versatile/multidimensional and I think he is going to hit the NFL at full speed. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/bruce-irvin?id=2532871 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/anthony-barr?id=2543459
Why would the Jets plant this? If they don't plan to trade up for him then no decisions are affected as each team 14-17 successively learns that the Jets aren't in the market. No team would take Barr that doesn't want to in case the implication is that the Jets hate him at 18 and wouldn't want to see him there. If the Jets do want to trade for him, telegraphing those intentions can only raise the cost as potential sellers suspect a motivated buyer or even inducing another team to increase their offer to beat out the Jets offer. Makes no sense.
There is a point where BPA doesn't make sense (not saying that point is Barr at 18). What if it's between Fuller, Dennard, Beckam, and Donald. Do we take a DT we have nowhere to put because he's "BPA," by one spot, on the magic board? I think it's a good philosophy, one I'm glad Idzik has brought to this team, but it's a philosophy, not a religion.
If Donald was there I would take him in a second he would instantly elevate the D-Line to even greater heights and a Great D-line is the secondary's best friend.
i gotta agree. Donald is elite talent. like perennial all pro. those other guys are just good players.
This isn't the way it works though ("by one spot on the magic board"). They group players in tiers, and then maybe smaller delineations, but they aren't looking at a straight-up list like you see on most draft websites. If a DT and a CB have a tier similar rating, they're not going to parse the minutia to end up with the DT. In the scenario described, they take the need, because the player value is essentially equal.
I disagree because of Barr's versatility. Even if he doesn't develop into a great situational pass rusher he still brings value as a potential 3 down LB.
ok but he's not versatile at all right now he has potential to develop into an all around beastly machine but right now he's just a situational pass rusher. all he did in college was rush the passer. his technique is flawed still, hehasnt played the position that long. he gets by on his extreme athletic ability.
The only reason to plant a rumor that you are moving up for a specific player is if you really want somebody else. Really there's no reason to plant the rumor though. Just the fact that you are looking to move up will steer people towards believing you are doing so to get one of the players you have successfully smoke screened around for the last month.
I'm just saying he used his massive wingspan and physical power more than anything, as opposed to having great technique. he probably will not be able to get by just like that in the NFL.
I agree that Aaron Donald is a good talent, but where exactly would he play? I know we said the same thing about Sheldon Richardson last year, but it'd a hell a more of a concern now. Unless you're talking about trading Harrison or something. I'm down with picking up someone like Dee Ford or a corner in the 1st round, but a DT makes no sense, even if it's the BPA position, and Aaron Donald.
I'm not saying the Jets should draft Donald but I was responding to a scenario another poster presented; if the only other options were Fuller, Dennard, Beckham, then I would. There's just no way I could justify passing on a top 10 talent for a guy that should arguably be a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Beckham could be great (or bust). Fuller and Dennard could be good. Donald IS elite.
I see your point about Donald. However, I think Fuller is a very safe pick. He's the most complete corner in the draft, and has the bloodlines. He's also coming from a college that's known to pump out good defensive backs. I like Dennard as well, but I wonder if he'll be a penalty flag in the NFL with the way he plays. I do think if the Jets drafted him, that they'd remedy that issue, though. Also, say we did draft Donald. You'd almost have to trade Harrison (or maybe Ellis), correct? I mean, unless we switched to a 4-3 or something..
It seems like the Jets would have to switch to a 4-3 if they drafted Donald. It doesn't make sense unless the Jets are planning on letting Mo Wilkerson walk. It seems like as a fit for the scheme, Louis Nix would make more sense considering the personnel already in place. Not taking away from Donald as a player I'm sure he'll be great for whoever takes him, like Jets4eva said where would he go?
Barr plays a little soft, and I think there's a good chance he busts. But he's got a quick first step and has physical tools to be developed. I wouldn't love it at 18, but with Rex as the coach, it would also be a high-upside pick. Trading up for him would be a disaster.
The problem is we don't know how they define BPA. I can tell you that if I would set the list, I'd first list all players from best down regardless of the need, then would apply some scaling factor that would reflect team needs. So for example on absolute scale Joe Schmo the CB would have BPA= 100 units and Mike Schmak the DT would be absolute BPA = 110 units. But CB would get scaling factor of 1 while DT -- of 0.3 because the team needs CB much more than DT and effective BPA becomes 100 for one and 36.6 for another. Now you got BPA list that is adjusted to your team needs and draft based on that.
