But we aren't the jaguars. They had absolutely nothing, but they're at least competitive now. We were decent then, and still are just decent. The jaguars have drafted well, while we haven't.
To me: the Jags aren't competitive. They are below mediocre (which means worse than the Jets). Does it not mean they have the building blocks and infrastructure set up to have a good team. I'm not sure of that but I know that right now: they are below the Jets.
I wasn't at all upset about Caldwell. felt he was a little overrated as a prospect. Dorsey i really did want though. would've been a great choice. unfortunately i don't believe we ever really had a shot with him. It was clear he wanted to work with Reid again, and believe he was already in talks with KC before we even interviewed him. It wasn't a case of Dorsey passing on the Jets because of Rex though.
every team pretty much is average to poor unless you have a top tier QB and sadly neither the Jags nor the Jets have managed to secure one and it doesn't matter who we hire as GM or HC - unless we someone fluke into one nothing else we do is going t make any real difference
I think that in most circumstances it would be a mistake to fire an NFL GM after two seasons. As a fan I don't know much about how well idzik is doing but I acknowledge there could be something drastic going on that would necessitate moving on. I just hope woody isn't making any decisions based on the actions of some nitwit fans who don't have a clue what is going on behind closed doors. If that's the case there are much bigger problems than who is GM. Despite the cries that idzik hasn't improved the roster at all I see clear improvement in our offensive skill players, the defensive line, and special teams units. Obviously the roster is still very much lacking but the guy wasn't going to turn the entire roster over in 2 years. Hell, his first draft was using the entire scouting staff from the prior GM due to the cycle of scouting. Tanny left the roster in shambles and crushed by the cap. Part of his long term plan included cleaning up the cap situation, which he obviously did. Along those lines I'm sure he had something significant in his long term plan for spending in 2015. So, idzik certainly has not impressed me but I think GMs take longer than 2 years to implement there plan. Most NFL GMs agree that it takes 3 years to even evaluate a draft class. So how long does it take to evaluate a GM?
I've been thinking of a guy who single handedly built Seattle, his name is John Idzik, we will be Seattle east
Humm I would disagree with the above the credit for finding the Seattle players goes to the 4G era former go as he worked with settle as well as the head of scouting he is out of football now doing independent work. Also we are not the jags that also sat on 20 plus million in cap space while fielding a cap roster. The gm should be fired on the whole, poor drafts,poor preparation, poor free agency which has Been covered here countless times. His can't plan to field a team why should we keep hi. At the cost of attracting a coach. esp did a write up on him the guys name is Scott McCloughhan.
Typically I would say that you need to wait 3 years to officially judge a GM as a bust. I think our case is different though. We clearly needed secondary help last off-season, yet in a deep FA class, he only acquired Patterson who was later cut before week 1. We had linebacker issues, and yes we got Babin, but he is old. Idzik did nothing except for late round picks to upgrade that unit. (especially with youth) The DL was already great, so don't even try claiming he fixed it. The ST was very bad already, and we already had Folk. We still have no punter. The coverage unit is better? Ok well that's not saying much. It SHOULD be better with the countless young bodies we brought in here. On offense, the OL is no better than it was when he came, despite spending multiple picks on it. The QB spot is still a complete mess. Ivory was a good add, but it still cost a 4th round pick. Chris Johnson was a bad signing, as was Vick. The Harvin trade was low cost, but it hurt our long term cap situation. So good thing we are only giving up a 4th, or 6th round pick. To top it all off, not counting Ivory, we had 19 picks the last 2 years, which should have by now produced at minimum, 4, or 5 players that show promise. Besides Sheldon, you can't point a single player out and say "They're going to be great for us in the future." I understand your point of view for being patient, and giving him another year, but the fact is, most of us have lost all the confidence we had in Idzik, and don't want to be assured correct 1 more year, before finally starting a re-build again 5 years after last being a playoff team.
Wow, the amount of loyalty Idzik has garnered is amazing. I mean, seriously, this last offseason should get anyone fired. And, really, you need more than two years to implement a plan. WHAT fucking Plan is he supposedly implementing?? there were numerous pieces he passed on, which wouldn't have significantly hurt the cap, bargain hunting. The Jets didn't need bargains. They needed TALENT!!
It's 2 years. He addressed the DB position drafting Milliner, McDougal, and Pryor. Plus he signed Patterson and he still had guys like Wilson and Walls. Obviously it backfired but those are things that happen sometimes during a rebuild. He signed Vick as an insurance in case Geno regressed. We all know how that turned out. He signed Decker and drafted a few receivers. One got cut (bad decision Imo) one got hurt and the other is on the PS. Nelson regressed from last year and Hill was cut. He rectified his mistake by trading for Harvin. The bottom line is that he's made mistakes and some of his moves backfired. But he needs time to fix his mistakes and for his players to develop.
the NFL is a bottom line business: You don't get second chances to fix NUMEROUS moves that didn't work. And even the moves that did work really weren't all that noteworthy. Yeah, he signed Decker. But he also lost Stephen Hill. So, a wash. And then there's the handling of the WR position in the draft: he passed on several much better players to spend THREE draft choices on players who didn't make any positive contributions. That's a bunch of wasted draft capital. yeah, he drafted Amaro. But, really, Amaro, to me, is just another Cumberland clone: in other words, he's no Gronkowski or Antonio Gates. So, when the Jets really needed speed, he drafted a plodder who really doesn't stretch defenses. He was snake bit on the CB position. But, really, the players he drafted had significant history of injury, so...he made his own bad luck. Look, every position he's tried to address has not been made into a strength: OL--a weakness; CB--a weakness, WR--a weakness, LB--hasn't addressed it, but it's not a strength; QB--a weakness. Why would anyone want this guy to remain heading his team is beyond me...
