True. Cooks is plenty fast in pads. If the Jets are fortunate enough to add him, I wouldn't worry about his speed in the least.
Tough choice. Cooks is polished and ready for the NFL. He has blazing speed, is a great route runner, great elusiveness, great hands, tough and would give the Jets the ability to score from anywhere on the field and make opposing DCs have to scheme to stop him. He has a great work ethic and character. He's a perfect fit in a WCO. His only liability is his size. Evans presents a big target, has very good, if not great, hands, comes back for the ball, runs well for his size and gets excellent YAC as well. He's rawer than Cooks, more immature and less ready for the NFL. He depends pretty much on his size to gain separation as he doesn't have great speed or quickness. He needs work refining his route running. His ceiling may be higher than Cooks, but that's not a given. I honestly don't know what I'd do. That would depend a lot on how MM envisioned their abilities in his offense and which he thought would be the better fit and more productive. I know that Evans is the more high-rated player, and that shouldn't be ignored, neither should their ceilings. Players aren't drafted for just one or two seasons, but I don' t think that can be or at least should be ignored, either. The Jets need a WR who can come in and produce now. They also need a safe pick. They cannot afford a bust. I think that Evans has greater bust potential due to his immaturity. I might change my mind later, but at this point, I'm leaning towards Cooks.
Steve, thanks. I respect your opinion and appreciate your input. I'm not a huge fan of Moncrief, but I like him better than Ellison, Bryant or other WRs likely to go in that area of the draft. I also think that with Cooks being shorter, his size would be plus for him and the Jets. I don't know much about Urban, either. I just remember hearing about him at the Sr. Bowl and know that the Jets need some depth at DE. At the area of the compensatory picks in the 6th round, I don't know if there will be a lot of great prospects left. He may have gone higher or there may be other players who would be better than him and better choices as bpa. He was more of a need than bpa pick at that point. I think he has a lot of upside, but to be honest, he could wind up being a 7th round pick or a UDFA. I'm just trying to make an educated guess. Thanks again for your feedback. Let me pose the same question to you that someone else posed to me in this thread. Who would you take at WR, Cooks or Evans?
Cooks is one of the 4 WRs i have as a first round player. i have Evans in the 2nd though I thought hed be a first rounder, when i put the microscope on him he sees too many contested passes, gives horrible spacing on the sideline, and loses too many of those contested balls for me to put him in the first.
I think if you look to compare Cooks to someone relevant its Desean Jackson who did pretty well in the Morningwood WCO. Similar height and speed but Cooks is 20lbs heavier. IIRC DJ had similar concerns about his size and separation ability coming out of college but he's done pretty well for himself.
Well thought out. ASJ would be sweet in the 2nd! Dont think he will slip past the Pats though... I'm on board though. If the draft went like this for us we would be loving life!
Revised following player movement post Combine and FA: 1 – Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon St. - would give the Jets a sure-handed, speedy offensive playmaker they have lacked 2 – Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech - a great OLB prospect to add some zip in the Jets' pass rush 3 – Stanley Jean-Baptiste - tall CB, good ball skills, could cover TEs over the middle and taller receivers 4a – CJ Fiedorowica, TE, Iowa - huge target with soft hands, excellent blocker, would be a huge target in the RZ and on 3rd downs 4b – Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman - good prospect to help shore up the OG spot 5a – Michael Schofield, OT, Michigan - finally some depth at OT, could also play OG 5b – Hakim Smith, SS, Louisville - good safety prospect, could help on STs immediately, and possibly be either a FS or SS has some coverage skills 6a – Brock Vereen, FS, Minnesota - Some list him as a SS, but he has decent to good ball skills, has good size and excellent speed, someone that Reed could possibly mentor into a quality starter 6b – Brent Urban, DE, Virginia - big, very strong kid with long arms, good speed off the snap, projects as a traditional 5 technique DE, depth at DE 6c – De’Anthony Thomas, RB, Oregon - 3rd down back and PR, quick, elusive, playmaker 7 – Max Bullough, ILB, Michigan State - upgrade in depth, and possible replacement for David Harris next season
Brandon Cooks is my current favorite to land at #18 for the NYJ, with Beckham right on his heels. Been an Attaochu fan for quite some time, although I think he could slip into Rd 3, just because the depth of Rd 2 is incredible. I have over 45 prospects that have a 2nd Rd grade. Baptiste is another one of favorites that the Jets desperately need. All 3 top players were my targets (another thread) for the Jets. I'd rather go Niklas, but we would have to draft him at #49. CJ isn't a dynamic player, but does everything well, nothing exceptional...upgrade over Cumberland. I've been hyping Schofield for sometime, excellent Senior Bowl, may be drafted in rd 3/4. I'd like get Joel Bitonio, he's one of my favorite O-Lineman, he should be a second rd pick. I doubt we draft Bitonio, since we resigned WC and signed Breno. Smith seems to be a better SS and run supporter, good player, I just don't know if it's an upgrade over AA, JJ, & JB. I think Urban will be drafted higher.
I like it. Yeah if you're targeting Attaochu and one of the tall corners better take him in the second like you did and take who is left (or who you like best) of SJB, McGill, Desir in the 3rd. I also like the Smith pick at safety. I think he's more versatile than his hard hitting highly lauded teammate. Of course I love Cooks. 4th looks good for a TE. If the Iowa guy is gone then Lynch from Georgia would be a nice fallback option.
Thanks for your thoughts, WW85. It's hard for me to know where they'll get drafted. You look at one sight and they have the players ranked in such and such round, and then you look at another site, and they have the same player ranked in a different round + or - a round or two. I like Niklas a lot too, and was torn between he and Attaochu. Ultimately, I decided I liked Fiedorowicz better than the other options at OLB at that point. Fiedorowicz isn't dynamic, but is solid and would be an instant starter and be a huge target for Geno. CBS has Schofield as a 5th or 6th round pick and James Hurst as a 4th-5th round pick. I like Schofield better than Hurst, and since I was just looking for depth at OT, that's why I went Schofield there, but you're right, he could go a lot higher. I agree that Smith is probably a better SS, and if nothing else he should make a solid backup behind Allen and good STs player' however, since Rex usually sees his safeties as interchangeable and doesn't seem to want another ballhawk like Ed Reed, he could have Allen at FS and Smith at SS. I don't know enough about Urban to know where he might go, but that's where CBS has him rated, and with his being a bit of a project, that seemed about right to me. What do you think of Brock Vereen? He seems to have all the physical attributes and character, but is not ranked highly at all? Could he be a late bloomer, or someone that perhaps Rex, Reed and Donnie could coach into a quality FS? Similarly, what do you think of Thomas and Bullough? Bullough isn't as fast as I'd like, but he's great vs the run and is pretty fast for his size. His work ethic is somewhat questionable, but with some coaching, I think he could potentially be a good prospect to replace Harris. I love Thomas playmaking ability and speed.
1. Since Jets are going full WCO mode [soon, if not right now] I would look to address WRs in that mold; and I would think Cooks is much better fit for WCO than Mike Evans will ever be. Evans will be a phenomenal asset for a offense that utilizes deep passing attack, like Coryell offense. As for WRs that can 1. create space 2. evade tacklers 3. create YAC, he won't be as good a prospect as Cooks is now. 2. TE is another spot that needs a good talent. Since WCO thrives on its unpredictable nature, a TE that can both block, catch and run down the field [which is a very hard combination to come by, btw] is at premium. At worst, the TE should be able to block and catch. I don't know much about Eric Ebron as a blocker; but he's more of a playmaker than a traditional TE, last time I checked. For that, I am more or less inclined to look at either Troy Niklas or Fiedorowicz. [ASJ looks like a good fit there too but I don't know if he will be available at rd. 2.] 3. I think this is more or less - the philosophy of the front office, and the outlook for next year's crops. How are they? What is the strength of the guys coming out next year? Offense? Defense? If next year's draft is also deep in the offensive talent, then Jets should look to get defensive guys this year. The way I see it is that, this offense has a lot more holes than the defense does, so if Jets address defense and get it over with, then they don't need to worry about it for a foreseeable future. If this reasoning is viable, [if they could get 8-8 with last year's miserable talent level, I don't see why not, in fact] then going heavy with defensive picks isn't such a bad idea either. Other than the few difference makers [like Cooks], I wouldn't mind the defensive picks, especially OLBs at high rounds.
A lot is still up in the air but i like that draft. If we can trade for DJax i dont think we will draft a Cooks/Beckham type player. Benjamin would be a better fit in that scenario because he would give us a legit redzone threat and target.
I really hope we don't trade for DJax. IMO that would make Idzik a hypocrite. Trading for DJax is a short-term move, NOT a long term one. In addition, it's asking for trouble. With all the great WR prospects in the draft, I don't see why they'd want to trade for DJax. It would be one thing if this wasn't a good draft for WRs or there were no WRs that were great WCO fits, but that isn't the case. Benjamin isn't a WCO fit at all. He doesn't belong on the Jets. IMO he would be a horrible pick. You don't use your 1st round pick on some guy just to be a Red Zone threat or a "Boom or bust" prospect. With possibly Ebron, Gilbert, Cooks, Beckham, Lewan, Ford, and or Pryor sitting there at #18. Taking Benjamin would be a firable offense imo.
Benjamin would be a perfect fit with Djax, Decker and Kerley.... Perfect Redzone threat because there isn't a corner that can take him 1-1 on a fade route in the endzone. The other 3 can get us there and Benjamin finish it off. We would go from a mediocre offense to one of the best with those 4 WRs!! Whats not to like?
1. As for DJax, it depends on which pick Idzik ships off. If it's 5th or lower, I don't see why not - especially since Jets are getting comp back at 5th anyway. 2. If not - I am ready to call him out too. 3. As for Kelvin Benjamin, he's more than terrible pick for the Jets. WCO needs a refined route runner that CAN catch. If he's tall, that's a bonus; but the prerequisite is that he can run good route, gain separation and catch the ball coming his way - and get a handful of YACs while at it too. As of right now, that's not what Kelvin Benjamin's mold say he's good at. 4. Regardless of whether DJax tags along or not - Jets should go BPA during the draft process.
i have that feeling too actually. It would amazing to have a true redzone threat over a similar type player to DJax was my point.
