My take on 2008 jets

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  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That is a very logical argument, if you are 15 years old.
     
  2. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    If you think Coles was never a # 1 WR, how about this one for the record?

    Career StatsYahoo! Sports Fantasy Football '08 PLAY NOW

    Career Stats Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles
    Season Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL
    2000 NY Jets 13 22 370 28.5 16.8 63 5.5 16 1 11 207 18.8 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    2001 NY Jets 16 59 868 54.3 14.7 40 5.0 42 7 9 211 23.4 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
    2002 NY Jets 16 89 1264 79.0 14.2 43 4.1 67 5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
    2003 Washington 16 82 1204 75.3 14.7 64 6.0 54 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
    2004 Washington 16 90 950 59.4 10.6 45 4.0 52 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
    2005 NY Jets 16 73 845 52.8 11.6 43 2.8 52 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
    2006 NY Jets 16 91 1098 68.6 12.1 58 3.5 52 6 1 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
    2007 NY Jets 12 55 646 53.8 11.7 57 2.6 35 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    2008 NY Jets 3 10 152 50.7 15.2 54 10.0 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Career 124 571 7397 59.7 13.0 64 4.2 376 38 21 418 19.9 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 5 1

    In five+ seasons, here are Cotchery's career stats:

    Career 62 203 2578 41.6 12.7 71 4.9 130 9 22 577 26.2 94 1 23 182 7.9 18 0 1 1

    Cotchery's problems with finding paydirt in the endzone are not unique to last year. Let's not put the kid in the hall of fame just yet.


    Last updated through games completed on Sep 22, 2008
     
  3. Phear

    Phear New Member

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    anyone bitching about thomas jones's play is an idiot. you all do realize our back in TJ not AP right? he has over 4 yards a carry and 1 td. i dont know what games you whiney bitches have been watching but his cuts have looked pretty good this season. the 3 straight runs against ne? ne's d had penetration and owned the o line, not tjs fault. washington is not a feature back, never will be. the creater of this post is high on drugs, it's utter nonsense.
     
  4. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    No, if you were 15 years old you are probably taking Algebra in high school. Therefore the arguement would look like this:

    2X = 6

    X= 3
     
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    Phear New Member

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    ^_ actually x=3 would be more accurate ;/
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Who are you arguing against? Find one instance where I ever said Coles was never a #1. Just one. Find one instance where I am looking at Coles' past and stating he wasn't a very good receiver. Coles just isn't elite,, never was, is not a true crutch for a quarterback, and Cotchery's skillset is better suited as a #1 possession guy because he has speed and quickness and size to do it. He's showing that this year in a very difficult situation. You can argue that Coles' injuries have been hampering him this year, but the fact is that, stats aside, if you actually watch the games, he's not catching balls that were an afterthought for him years past. He once had amazing concentration that rivalled Chrebet, and now a pass will go right through his hands. He's not fighting for the ball, either. Finding the endzone may have been a problem for Cotchery, but catching the ball is not. Right now it's a problem for Coles.

    I'll be surprised if he's even on the team next season.
     
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    ^ agree with that
     
  8. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    Today at 2:22PM you said as follows:

    Coles had 646/6TDs and Cotch had 1130/2TDs. Both fought injuries last year, but Coles has been fighting injury for the past 4 seasons minus 2006 and Cotchery is coming into his own. You waiting for Coles to become healthy is akin to me waiting for Pennington to get healthy. It may never happen. I would like to believe Coles will get healthy again and be his former self, but really, was he ever a true #1? Dynamic, yes, elite, no.
     
  9. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    He dropped a couple balls against Miami but one bad game does not make a bad receiver (just ask Andre Johnson). From the following stats it looks like Coles is starting to ramp up and could do very well next week against the Cardinals:

    Week Date Opp Score Rec Yds Y/R Lng TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL
    1 Sep 7 @ MIA W 20-14 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    2 Sep 14 NWE L 10-19 3 72 24.0 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    3 Sep 22 @ SDG L 29-48 6 75 12.5 41 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
     
  10. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I'm still waiting... I think the idea of him being a true #1 is a subject for discussion, but I never said he wasn't. If you'll look at the text you quoted, I SAID the he was dynamic but not elite.

    I sure hope he proves me wrong.
     
  11. IrishSteveZ

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    Oh dont worry, you will be.
     
  12. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Uh, I am not sure what Hasty was arguing about there. Ftr I did not see you saying Coles never was a #1.
     
  13. tomdeb

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    THAT'S the truth--he has no vision as a RB--he runs right to a spot and goes down.
     
  14. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That's the one thing I don't like about Jones, and it's not his vision, although it isn't elite... I just think he is noncommittal when choosing a gap. That's what that stupid hop-cut that gustoon is talking about indicates to me. He needs to just hit the hole faster and with more confidence like Curtis used to. They are very similar backs in terms of skillset, but Curtis showed no hesitation when he hit a hole, and I think he had superior vision because, early on, he would ALWAYS know when to make that cutback.

    Thomas Jones is the present, until we acquire a true game-breaking running back. I hate to agree with Don, but I now know we didn't pursue Michael Turner well enough and chose to fill other holes and that was probably a mistake; right now nobody fears our running game without a power runner, and until Chatman gets off his suspension we won't have one. I believe after the game Sunday it's the end of his suspension, but I'm not sure what the official rule is about the exact date coming off a suspension. And I like the way the guy runs, fearless and aggressive enough to give me hope he'll make the difference on the ground. Otherwise we held onto his for nothing and that would suck.
     
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  15. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    totally agree--I like Chatman and his ability to pinball off tacklers--the man runs hard every chance
     
  16. xmscott

    xmscott Well-Known Member

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    When do we get Chatman back?
     
  17. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Week 6 game
     
  18. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    Coles had three TDs in one quarter this week. I would say that you got what you hoped for.
     
  19. jetzIII

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    Yeah,
    I always hope he breaks that arm tackle so he can go further, but
    then he drops
     
  20. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Heck yeah I did. Coles gave me a couple weeks worth of crow to eat for lunch. He was spectacular yesterday. I hope he can keep that up.
     

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