To your first point, I think it is. You look at the playoff teams and for the most part they have depth up and down. I think at this point trading Revis is a viable option to speeding up improvement. I think that Rex's approach, as you point out, hasn't worked out as well as desired--I think that with Revis on the field, QBs just throw elsewhere and without any pressure on the QB the NFL's rules are set up to the point where holding/PI calls become a higher likelihood the longer a play stretches. To your sidenote, interesting idea, I hadn't even thought of that, but it could be.
I don't know how the prorated advances in the place of a new deal, and i'm not prepared to take a guess. But in answer to your second question, if a player is cut or traded all of his prorated bonus (And I think some other types of bonuses) are accelerated to the team cutting him or trading him away. I do know that in the case of a cut if the cut is made during a certain time frame of the offseason, I can't remember the date off hand, then the cap hit can be divided between two seasons, and I'm pretty sure it works exactly the same way, regarding the time frames, in a trade. One point I don't know is if he leaves in free agency after 2013 if that 9M all goes on one year or if it can be split between two years. Either way losing your best defensive player for essentially a 4th round pick and getting a 9M cap hit would suck.
If the Jets pay Darrelle Revis bonuses next year, roster bonus of $1M, workout bonus of $1M and reporting bonus of $1M, he is actually a $15M dead money hit in a cut or trade scenario. That would be the $12 million of prorated bonus + the $3M additional. So the $12M hit to cut or trade him actually begins to become more when the roster bonus comes due, whenever that is. The figure then grows over the summer as Revis works out and then reports to camp. I'm just guessing, since even with nyjetscap.com's excellent reporting all the details are not enumerated, but I suspect the window to actually trade Darrelle Revis next year given the Jets cap considerations is between June 1st and the opening of training camp. If the Jets trade Revis during that span they will have a $14M cap hit to deal with and that hit can be spread over 2013 and 2014 at $7M a year. It's hard to see a better scenario for the Jets right now. They're not going to be able to afford the $12M hit before they pay the roster bonus. They'd have an extra $.5M hit in both 2013 and 2014 if Revis reported and they had to pay the $1M bonus at that point.
Actually the author of nyjetscap.com covered that in an interview, if you google his name you'll find the interview. however no, if the Jets trade him early enough they only get hit with 12M and not 15M, of course the 12M is still higher than his 9M cap for 2013. I know it gets confusing, but I understood things a lot better after reading it. For example he covers mark sanchez salary cap hits on trading and cutting, and did you know we could pay a team about 6-7 million of Marks 2013 salary and still come out better than if we cut him as far as the cap hit? Could pay 1/2 his salary in 2013 and be about exactly the same cap number as keeping him on the roster.
Yeah if the Jets trade Revis before the roster bonus is due they will take only a $12M hit for doing so. I think the numbers are going to be hard to balance though given the amount of space they have available at this point. I think the Jets are going to have to do whatever they choose to do with Revis after June 1st so the cap cost can be split into 2014. Somebody should be reworking a few player's contracts right now so the Jets have more certainty in how much space will be available when the league year opens.
If you can get a Herscel Walker deal from some jack off, you take it. A corners value is only as high as the completion percentage of a QB to his best wideout, minus The value of his replacement. And right now Cro and Wilson, is not much of a drop off from Fevis and Cro, or at least, given the proce
Actually, if the team wanted to go YOUNG, and I mean YOUNG the team could get rid of all the big contracts this off season except for mangold and Ferguson and still be under cap. But it would make for a VERY bad season, on the other hand with the way the 2014 draft is shaping up being very bad in 2013 could turn out very good in 2014.
If there's any way to get a deal done, get it done. I'm sick and tired of seeing elite players start here and leave. Riggins, Farrior, MeShawn, Santana....shit even Namath. I want a Jets draft pick that actually pays huge dividends to be here from start to finish. Seriously. Forget about his massive contribution on the field. To me it just makes us look second rate if we deal a guy with the massive talent Darrelle has. Would the Cowboys deal D Ware? Would the Packers have entertained offers for Woodson?
This question is relevant to a lot of sport franchises, not just NFL. Funny thing is, the answer is almost universally the same in all cases, regardless of the game. Having one 'cream of the crop' player in the roster, followed by ho-hum players, will always result in a franchise that stumbles down the road. You always want to have a deep roster. Illuminating examples are galore in the breadth of sports, and in their depth of respective history. For instance, I hated Wenger's Arsenal FC even in its heyday (with Henry up front and Vieira anchoring the middle) simply because of this. You cannot sustain success at high level for a long time if your team's value is concentrated at the top portion. That's what I'd pejoratively mock "paper-thin team." And they suffer when one of their starters goes down. Regular as a clockwork. I knew, from the beginning, it would take a colossal luck for them just to win the league, and a cosmological coincidence to achieve double - triple crown was in the realm of impossibility. As it happened, that 'great' squad of Arsenal won the league exactly once, and they never challenged the UEFA cup seriously at all. It was all Man Utd show in the 2000's until Chelsea and Man City got rich lately. You can apply the same logic in every sports - baseball, hockey, football, what have you. (You now see why I have such a disdain for that idiot T-Bomb, right?) P.S. The only exception I found was in basketball. Not because the logic above didn't apply, but because it had some funny loophole that allowed teams to hold onto their marquee player while breaking the bank and still stay competitive on other roster positions. (Refer to: the dynasties from the past, i.e. Celtics, Lakers in Johnson era, Bulls, and Lakers of late dynasty run, etc.)
Wilt Chamberlain was the greatest player ever in any sport compared to his peers over a series of years. Bill Russell, two-thirds the player Wilt was, got all the rings.
Exactly. It's almost funny that this is happening in nearly every sport on Earth, not just basketball. (Or, in our discussion, football.)
Keep Revis trade Cro for the following reasons (no particular order): -Revis is a perennial Pro-Bowler future HOFer while Cro has the potential to follow-up a Pro-Bowl season with stinker. -Revis is a team leader and a model citizen on and off the field; Cro can sometimes be a problem in the locker room. -Revis is coming off an injury so his value is the lowest it can be possibly be for a player of his caliber. Cro is coming off arguably his best season, his value is as high as it probably will ever be. He's never shown the ability to sustain that high level of play from one season to the next. Sell high rather than low. -I believe Trading Revis does not provide cap relief until 2014. Trading Cro provides immediate relief of approx $10 million.
The problem is it's not just about cap space, its about Revis having the opt out option after 2013 that Tanny gave him. In short, it may not even be the Jets choice if Revis is here in 2014, Revis may just decide he wants a ring and a big paycheck and goes to a real contender. It's not about saving cap space with Revis in 2013, it's actually more expensive cap wise to trade him than to keep him in 2013. the question is if it's better to take another 3M hit on the cap in 2013 and get something for Revis rather than letting him walk after 2013. Of course if Revis is willing to extend before 2013 then extend if it's reasonable. But Revis won't negotiate before the season, he's said as much, at least not with any sort of discount. Which means rolling the dice.
In the days of no salary cap, you keep Revis with no questions asked. However, Revis is a cornerback, albeit, the best that may have ever played. (Arguably) Sanders was the best of his time, and maybe the best ever, but his recognition came from this return capabilities as well. I am not trying to undermine the importance of Revis's play, but with the way Cro played this year, we are essentially paying 10+ million for a upgrade at the #2 corner play. How many teams have 2 #1 WR's? In addition, trading Revis is not going to be easy. In all likely hood, the trading partner is going to want to sign him to a long term deal prior to trading for him. The Jets are not going to give him away, and he is coming off a knee injury.
I think comparing Sanders and Revis is a false argument in a way. Sanders was much more of a ball hawk and big interception return man, but Revis is more of a cover and keep the other guy from connecting. though 79 games Revis has 19 Interceptions and 364 return yards, or 19.157 average per pick. Sanders was a more explosive DB. Through Sanders first 6 seasons he had 34 picks for 24.4 yard per pick return. Sanders also forced 7 fumbles during that time to Revis's one. now I know your saying but Revis missed a season, which is true. But Sanders, while never missing a season, only played in 16 games 2 times in that first 6 years and in 9 of his games he wasn't a starter during that time period. In short Sanders played 5 more total games during that peeriod, and in 9 of those he wasn't a starter. But they were different Corners, QB's didn't throw to Sanders because of his knack for picks, but he could be beat on occasion because he would play the ball. On the other hand teams don't throw towards Revis because he keeps completion percentage so low. Having watched both play in my life time, Sanders was electric, But Revis isn't flashy, but like the work truck he does his job very well. To be honest, Sanders was like a more physically talented Cromartie, makes big plays but takes chances sometimes.
Screw Kolb, trade Revis and Sanchez and 6 million to the Cardinals for a 1st, 3rd and conditional 2014. But then again, the Cardinals don't need a cornerback.
