My Revis conflict

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    You really see Landry as a true Free Safety? Not going to lie when he first came in and was playing FS he made me nervous, but I thought he played pretty well though at that position. I always thought of him as being more effective in the SS role.

    I do like the guy though and as long as he stays healthy, he's def that enforcer that puts fear in the heart of offense skill players.

    This would be the best case scenario. Like you always mention, you don't need a 10 M shutdown CB to win the SB.
     
  2. xmscott

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    Excellent article about Revis's contact and trade

    Looking at the Contract of Darrelle Revis
    Contracts, Trades by jason
    On my other website probably 20% of the articles center around Darrelle Revis and his ongoing contract squabbles with the New York Jets. With Revis in the news again due to his agents somehow feeling slighted that the team he is under contract did not go out of their way to meet with them this weekend I wanted to go over some of the particulars of that deal with this audience.
    The Revis contract is one of the unique ones in that the final three years of the contract void provided Revis fulfills all his contractual obligations during the first 4 years of the contract. While these void structures have become a popular mechanism for certain cap-strapped teams the Jets have avoided these structures in the past but were backed into corner in 2010 when head coach Rex Ryan wanted Revis off his holdout and back on the field. At the heart of the holdout was the contract signed by Nnamdi Asomugha of the Oakland Raiders that was set to pay him slightly more than $45 million dollars over 3 years. Revis wanted a higher APY, but over a longer period of time. Eventually a compromise was reached in which Revis’ two year pay would be $32.5 million, which was higher than Asomughas $28.6 million, but the APY of the contract would not exceed that of the Raiders corner.
    To reach that figure the Jets paid Revis an $18 million dollar option bonus in 2011. In order to keep Revis’ cap figures at a reasonable number the Jets had to add these voidable seasons at the back end of the contract which would allow them to prorate the money over a 6 year period. By doing this the Jets would only incur $3 million a year in prorated charges from 2011 thru 2013, but would face a potential $9 million dollar dead money fee in 2014 if they did not sign Revis to an extension, which is where we are at today.
    From a salary cap perspective the Jets likely look at Revis’ cap charges as a real detriment to the team going forward. The Jets have long held firm that they will not pay Revis the type of salary he demands, which makes it likely that he would hit free agency in 2014 even if the end result was returning to the Jets. From the Jets point of view that makes the one year rental of Revis this year extremely expensive. To illustrate lets look at two scenarios.
    In scenario A the Jets let Revis play out the contract this season. The Jets will absorb a $9 million dollar cap hit in 2013 for Revis’ services. From there the Jets have until the Super Bowl to work out an extension with Revis. If not extended before 4PM the day following the Super Bowl Revis contract will void. The Jets 2014 salary cap immediately takes on a $9 million dollar acceleration charge. At the best the Jets will get a third round draft pick in compensation for Revis that will be received in the 2015 NFL draft. As outlined here there is a chance they receive nothing. In terms of salary cap this means the Jets are using $18 million of cap dollars for 1 season of Darrelle Revis, knowing full well he hits free agency to test the market.
    In scenario B the Jets trade Revis. If the Jets trade Revis at the start of the new League Year they immediately take on a $12 million dollar cap charge, a net loss of $3 million in cap room in the 2013 season. They receive a draft pick in the 2013 NFL draft, which would at least be a 2nd rounder. In 2014 they will be free and clear of all charges associated with Revis and he becomes somebody elses contractual headache.
    So what we really have is the choice of $18 million in cap for Revis and at best 3rd rounder in 2015 versus $12 million in cap for nobody and at least a 2nd round pick in 2013. That is a difficult decision when you frame it in that way. More cap dollars and immediate young help in the draft. Of course if the Jets end up being a decent team in 2013, and in the NFL just about anything is possible, the loss of Revis could be huge.
    Of course in scenario A Revis also takes a risk by waiting for free agency and playing the year out. Nobody knows if Revis is truly healthy and he has only played 31 games in the last 3 years. If he was to get injured again his value would plummet. Teams can take a chance on one injury not having an impact on the players ability, but two injuries and they won’t take a chance especially at the money Revis is supposedly looking for. This might be something the Jets are hoping that works to their advantage if they are letting him twist in the wind about his future.
    Really both sides would benefit from an extension. The Jets would avoid the $9 million dead money charge and keep Revis while Revis would remain on a team with a coach who favors his abilities and a fanbase who loves him. The Jets would probably pay Revis around $13 million a year which would be far more than any other corner in the NFL and would likely lock Revis into $30 million in guarantees regardless of injury recover. But the Jets can not have Revis looking to hold out every other season and right now that is the reputation he has. This probably makes the extension a moot point.
    All things considered it benefits the Jets cap flexibility and potential future roster by moving on this season and sending Revis to a team that is willing to go beyond that $16 million a year mark that Revis wants. If they can find a team ready to do that I’d expect the Jets to pull the trigger.

    http://overthecap.com/looking-at-the-contract-of-darrelle-revis/
     
  3. jdon

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    trade him. you don't need D Revis to go to a Super Bowl. Teams keep going to SBs without a D. Revis. What you need is balance through your defense, so if one guy goes down you move on without missing a beat. plus, they need a talent influx. Revis can bring them one.
     
  4. Br4d

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    I'd rather take a chance on a star-caliber safety at $6M a year than on a CB at $12M+.
     
  5. ajax

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    NO downside, are you serious? Letting him play out the season without an extension is the WORST CASE SCENARIO. He is an unrestricted FA once the season ends. He can not be franchised. Revis will go to the highest bidder & Jets will get a crappy compensatory pick much worst than anything they'd get in a Revis trade.
     
  6. BrowningNagle

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    That would be the typical Jets move. Let a star walk and sign an overrated risk on the cheap. Hello mediocrity!
     
  7. Jet Blue

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    IF Revis wants to make the most money possible, that's what he is going to do anyway.

    PPL think he's going to sign a cheaper deal now for whatever reason?
    Saw one "expert" saying you can guarantee his money NOW that he's injured and gamble that he'll be 100% while locking him up.

    Problem with that is TEAM MEVI$ will take that guaranteed $$$$ as insurance for the injury and then STILL FREAKING HOLD OUT when he proves he's 100%... b/c that's the kind of Mother Fer's Team Revis seems to be.....
     
  8. ajax

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    You don't understand, because you're unable to look at this from the point of view of Jets trading partner.

    Whoever acquires Revis is guaranteed ONLY till ending of next season. Playoff teams are not gonna leave huge holes @ CB just hoping the Jets might make a Revis trade once season starts. Once the season starts, whoever trades for him is gonna get 15, 14, or 13 regular season games? And Revis will be coming in AFTER missing training camp & had zero time to work with the defensive coordinator & his fellow defensive backfield players.

    Jets don't have time on their side. They can't showcase a healthy Revis on the field shutting down #1 WR during the game & then trade. Each week he's on the week "proving himself" is one less week his new team has with him in Revis final contract year. It sucks but it's also reality.
     
  9. jetlife21

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    Signing every good player you have without giving a damn about the salary cap is what Al Davis Raider's did for years. Do you prefer that approach?
     
  11. ajax

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    How in the loop should he be? GM tells Rex I'm thinking of trading Revis. Then GM goes to seek offers. Should he & Rex be holding hands whenever Idzik asks somebody if they're interested in Revis?
     
  12. So wait...it's a "Circus" b/c the "Bigmouth Rex Ryan" is running the show... but then it's also a circus if Rex is out of the loop on a potential transaction?

    The double standards that surround this fan base/team are laughable. This is right up there w/ the whole "Woody doesn't care about the fans or winning" vs. "Woody needs to shut up & not make football decisions".

    What the hell do you people want?
     
  13. BrowningNagle

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    I'd say we start with trying to work with one star player first... before you make that assumption... the two situations are not at all similar. For starters, Revis is much, much better than any player Al Davis paid, you don't know how much he's asking, and the Jets haven't crippled themselves for years paying good players (crappy ones yes)

    Idzik has been here only a month and he's already reportedly shopping Revis. I doubt he's done much, if any negotiation with the Revis Camp.

    Tossing him aside without really trying but signing for the long-term an overrated one-hit wonder in Landry is a path for destruction...
     
  14. AlmightyRevis

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    Get it started, I'll support it 100%
     
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    Our best football player to stay on the team :(
     
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    Revis to SF. Niners acquired the Chiefs 2nd in April plus another pick in 2014. The Niners 1st and the Chiefs 2nd. Don't let the door hit you on the way out Darrelle.
     
  17. xmscott

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    Some people make it seem like the secondary fell off with Revis out.
     
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    Except that they probably wouldn't offer their first. Darrelle Revis for that Chiefs 2nd... ouch

    49ers go on to win the SB, Revis continues his HOF career elsewhere and the Jets turn him into another Vlad Ducasse type pick...

    "All aboard the Constant Rebuilding Train.... next stop ??????"
     
  20. xxedge72x

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    49ers 1st is only two pick away from the Chiefs 2nd.
     

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