My Revis conflict

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  1. AK-JETS4Life

    AK-JETS4Life Active Member

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    When I have time available, then maybe I will cook up something. Sadly, even the most mediocre QB's played well against this defense.

    I can also rule out Ryan Lindley in general, because he can't do good against any defense xD.
     
  2. Unhappyjetsfan

    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah ... in the first half. How about the other four games where we got blown out, but it happened in the second half? I repeat, in half our games, we got blown out. That's a significant portion of games. That's more than enough games to skew defensive statistics.
     
  3. wildaces

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    They had about 500 rushing plays against them, and about 500 passing plays against them. That is pretty balanced.
     
  4. Unhappyjetsfan

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    Yes, and it's also very unusual in the modern day NFL. Only four teams had more rushing plays against than passing plays against; and we were one of them. We had the third most running plays against in the league. In comparison to the rest of the league, teams ran all over us.
     
  5. Br4d

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    The Jets had the 3rd fewest passes attempted against them and the 3rd most rushes attempted.

    There's no question that opposing offenses wanted no part of passing against a Rex Ryan defense if running would get it done and last year running got it done.
     
  6. Unhappyjetsfan

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    Brady just re-signed with the Patriots at $9 million per year for the next three years. This is what happens when your star HOF player doesn't care about anything but winning a championship.

    I'd post a link (USA TODAY) but the forum software won't let me post links.
     
  7. ajax

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    Same salary as Sanchez. Why give that money to somebody ready to retire when we would be willing to trade them a young QB who led his team to back to back AFCCG for the same salary?


    :beer:
    j/k obviously.

    btw,
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/e...-signs-27m-three-year-extension-with-patriots <-- link to brady deal.
     
  8. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    This is annoying to me. The ravens didn't trade Ed Reed after missing the playoffs in 2 of 3 years in 05 and 07. We don't NEED to trade Revis. This is such a stupid short sighted plan.
     
  9. Zach

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    Ed Reed wasn't seeking 16M either. And that doesn't bother you, right?
     
  10. ajax

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    You just overlook the whole salary aspect of all those examples. Find examples of Ed Reed making similar salary to franchise QB & then your comparisons will look more valid.

    NOBODY wants to trade Revis for talent reasons. None of these trade-Revis campers will disagree that he is a great player.
     
  11. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    The point is you keep your best players.
     
  12. ajax

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    Well that's a silly point. How about Jets give Revis 16M a season & then give Mangold 12M a season? Then no matter how bad this team gets, Jets are guaranteed two all-pros because we've got two of the best players in the entire league at their position.

    Talent vs. Salary needs to be considered for every player on every roster. You can't make decisions based only on talent or only on salary (unless you're tanking).
     
  13. strngplyr

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    That only applies at certain positions, you can't build a team around a corner like you can a QB. A CB only has so much influence on the outcome of a game.
     
  14. 101GangGreen101

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    I'm sure the new Brady extension, pisses the Jets off even more considering Brady is trying to help the team, while Revis wants to pull a Brees and tie like 20% (estimated) of the cap to himself.
     
  15. Br4d

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    That was Al Davis's contention as he managed his team into a last-place disaster area. I'm not just talking Aso either, both Janikowski and Lechler were making silly numbers for the positions they played also, although clearly both the best at their positions.

    If you have an all-star waterboy, the best waterboy in the NFL, that still doesn't justify paying him 50% more than the highest paid other waterboy when there's a salary cap that restricts overall spending.

    Let's get real here: if Al Davis doesn't have a mini-stroke on keeping Asomugha when Aso was going to fly the team the Jets and Revis never get anywhere near the numbers Revis played for in the first two years of his extension. They don't get anywhere near Revis asking for what he's looking for now.

    An old man's mistake is just that. It's not a reason to make the same mistake yourself.
     
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  16. ajax

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    After Brady, I've been reading Ravens fans are starting to grumble about Joe Flacco & his 20M demands. Patriot fans are very fortunate. Brady is an all-time great QB and all-time great teammate.

    Even if they generated a shit ton of cash over the years, I just can't see any of other elite players pulling this kind of move.
     
  17. 101GangGreen101

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    Yeah, you can't let the player dictate the entire cap. The Ravens will play it smart. The Jets are actually doing a good job here in exploring trades. Enough is Enough Revis. Getting a 1st and a 3rd could go a long ways in helping this franchise especially offensively. No way do you pay a CB 16M just no way. I don't care if he's the best player, this is a team game and last I remember, a CB doesn't impact the game nearly as much as a QB or pass-rusher.
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    I love how too many posters here think that draft picks are a solid equivalent to a great player already on the team with a proven track record.

    To me, draft picks are as often as not an occasion for the Jet FO to get someone who is marginally decent to just plain awful. Yeah, Idzik may upgrade the whole process, but let's not assume even the best GM's hit on every pick.

    At this point I think in any event it is as likely as not that the Jet moves to look into trades are merely attempts to get some small leverage over Revis in contract negotiations. They pretty much can't trade him before June 1, and his physical condition is too much an unknown for another team to agree to a huge contract before he can show he can get back to where he was.

    Since it seems quite unlikely the Jets will trade him before June 1, and may not be able to trade him before opening day, they have to look at the rest of their roster as if Revis is going to stay next season. Doing so will not necessarily lock the Jets into keeping him, but it does mean they will not have in the short run the flexibility of making other roster moves that they could do (including receiving draft picks in this year's draft, and using them) if he could be traded soon.

    Looking at it from Revis's point of view, he can't expect another team to lay down both a willingness to sign a big contract with him and to give the Jets substantial value in the short run, either. So he stays with the team through June 1, thereby both guaranteeing his existing salary for 13, and negating the last three yeras of his contract.

    At that point, one of three things will happen. The first is he shows some substantial physical improvement, which might draw attenton from another team. The second is he signs a new deal with the Jets, on whatever basis. The third is he plays out his contract year, and is an FA next off season.

    I don't see number one as likely. As between the other two scenarios, I can't really say which is more likely right now.
     
  19. BrowningNagle

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    Did you just compare Darrelle Revis to a punter, a kicker, and a waterboy?

    I'd say this might be just a little bit of a different situation.....
     
  20. BrowningNagle

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    I didn't think the Jets were serious about trading him until I hear these recent reports of them ignoring his agents at the combine. Unfortunately, I think he's as good as gone... and I think no matter what it's going to include draft picks and it's not going to be fair value for the caliber of player he is.

    I concur with you that I don't see them agreeing to any trade prior to June 1st (unless the Jets really feel like getting fleeced - ouch) After June 1st I could see a contender sending a 1st rounder in 2014 for Revis (like the 49ers) but that's about it.. a probable late 1st rounder in 2014... definetely not fair value.
     

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