I still see people blaming the jets or tannenbaum.... Bottom line... It comes down to wether or not ANY team thinks they can build a complete team while paying Revis 16 Million Dollars...... I laugh at the Sherman Twitter War But, what Revis misses is that Sherman makes less a Season than Revis makes PER FREAKING GAME!!!!! It's not even a fair comparison, I'll take Sherman every day of the week at those prices. Just more NYJ Bad luck that we finally get a HOF player and it turns out he's the Greediest SOB in the league. No way would Revis play the years Sherman has making that salary - Yet Seattle is building a winner and one reason why is b/c they don't have players holding out for top dollar like Revis Just luck... Look at the Pats - Gronk doesn't care, he signs a fair deal and bangs porn stars - If that were Revis he'd be on his 2nd holdout. Sucks for us, but no doubt, if Revis were drafted by the Pats he would not be a Pats today - the Pats would have cashed out and got top value long before this point.
Do you really believe Sherman won't be looking for top dollar? Especially with the publicity he is receiving right now.
Truth is you can count on one hand the number of players that feel like they robbed the NFL (see Mario Williams in Buffalo). The other 99.9% deal with teams and GMs that make every attempt to low ball them and then cut them the minute they have real money headed their way. Factor in Uncle Sam taking 42% of every pay check plus State Taxes. Plus agent fees. Plus another 15% Self Employment Tax (Social Security/Medicare). Players walk away with about 35% of their pay checks. And that's before they buy their mom a new house. Then factor in an avg NFL career lasting about 6 years and you can start to see why players get all they can, when they can.
We'll see but, so far Sherman played 2 years and is heading into year 3 without any Hoopla about holdouts and demands to rip up contracts for top money... Revis wouldn't have played 1 game on Shermans salary and there is no doubt that he would be holding out RIGHT NOW.... Hey I want Sherman to.... If he played in NY the NY media and Dick Cimini would be on him every day asking why he compares himself to Revis but, he makes pennie in comparison. I want Sherman to hold out and demand more money because how can the NYJ compete with teams like SEA playing top 3 players 500k when we have to pay 16 Million?????? Remains to be seen what Sherman demands and if he plays another year on this little salary but, he is no where near Revis in the Greedy Bastard Dept... And yeah, I'm Pissed off to all hell - We're going to lose a HOF player and get little in return and that just blows. people aren't grasping how horribly bad this situation is - ppl are walking around talking about Jim Brown and Herschel Walker Mega Deals and the NYJ are going to wind up with Crap.
Sherman is just seeking publicity and name association with Revis so he too can get paid top $$. It's a tactic for him to eventually hold out or get paid Revis money - that's all it is. Sherman was a 5th rounder who just burst onto the scene this year, his 2nd season! Much different situation than Revis. This IS the beginning of his contract fuss - just watch. Not a chance Revis that early in his career holds out if he was a 5th rounder - he'd be using the same tactics. Let's not make Sherman out to be some kind of play for cheap hero - he's lobbying. I agree with you that the Jets are going to get crap in return though if they trade Revis. But I think if Revis played for N.E. and Seattle he'd have his contract. I don't think N.E. would've gotten rid of him. They hang on to their young stars.
Why shouldn't revis want and try to get paid more then any defender because he arguably is the best defender. The probl in the nfl is every year a player is trying to top another players pay. There needs to be a pay scale/cap on players. We see it every offseason the best player gets paid more then the 2nd best then the next year another try's to get higher then him. Eaither the cap needs to go up or a positional pay scale/cap needs to be put into place. Look at Flacco he wins the super bowl and now he wants more money then brees. If he gets it then the next guy up say Matt Ryan wins it next year then he will want more then flacco and it's a continuing process. Sort of like inflation. If I was revis I would try to get as much as possible but would settle for 12million a year or so. You don't need to be paid more then every other corner or defender to be the best. Let your play define you and not your money. Plus he makes plenty of money off endorsement deals
Fine....But, Revis would hold out and make demands and not play another game if he were Sherman Right now. N.E. doesn't give in to player threats and hold outs - Revis agents are punks - IMO New England would have ran far away long ago and would not pay a CB 16 million. Tannenbaum knew on the last deal that at this point it would be time to either pay record setting money or trade - What they didn't know is there would be an ACL issue AND Revis would still want record money. So, basically they are totally screwed.
Like Ty Law and Asante Samuel you mean? Like Richard Seymour? The Pats have not kept anybody threatening to have a big payday except for Tom Brady and that's a big part of their success over the years. They trade the stars for draft picks as they approach their second contract or in some cases the third. The only upset going right now is Wes Welker who played for the franchise tag last year.
I agree 100% with your last few sentences "I would settle for 12 million" "Let your play define you not your money" Problem is Revis laughs at you and those statements..... TO ME...... I would look long term and To me, if I played an entire career in NEW YORK and made the NFL HOF I would be incredibly marketable for a lifetime.... Now If I played a few years in NY and then played for top money in, say Cleveland - I think in the long run I'm not quite as marketable..... I would also value being a Fan Favorite and show loyalty which should also reap long term $$$$$.. hey I want to buy a Revis jersey - I haven't and I can't though because ebery time I think about it he's holding out and it looks like he may not stay.... he made his career so far pretty rough for a lot of fans like myself to be ALL-IN on a player who is not ALL-IN. TO ME.... I would decide Where I wanted to play... If I truly wanted to retire a NYJ I would fully understand how much of the Cap made sense for me AND the team to remain competitive.... I would realize it's up to ME wether or not I stay or go because if I demand record setting money, i limit the options of what the NYJ or any team can do. I agree with you - I sign a 12 million dollar deal IF I want to stay and show loyalty. If I ONLY care about money then, I am what I am.
Revis held out twice in his career - once as a 1st round draft pick in an era very different from now when most 1st rounders held out... and once when he just had a historically great season in which he was likely the best player in the game not named Tom Brady... yet was getting paid like he was an average player for his position! He's not the holdout cancer that you are trying to make him out to be. If he was a 5th round pick there's no way he holds out after having a good second season in the league. The 16 mill is a rumor, we don't know if that's what he's steadfast on at all. He could and will be had for less. N.E. lets players go that are old or declining, but they are smart to keep their franchise changing young players. Not a chance they let a Darrelle Revis go if they had him in his prime.
You mean the same Ty Law that they caved into $$wise for years and years before they let him go after he hit the wrong end of age 30 and brought the team 3 Super Bowls? You mean the same Richard Seymour that they caved and gave an extension too after he held out? The same guy that they did whatever was necessary to hang on too until he hit 30 and struggled with injuries? You mean the same Asante Samuel that is nowhere close in abilities to a Darrelle Revis that they made a mistake in not keeping and have since had one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL and many playoff disappointments to show for it? A guy they've been desperately seeking to replace? How about a Logan Mankins who they just caved and paid him top NFL dollars after an extended holdout this past offseason? I thought they didn't do those things. Oh wait - they do when it's a player worth keeping. Not a chance New England would trade Darrelle Revis if he was with that organization. They'd make hard choices like allowing a Gronk or pretty much anyone not named Tom Brady to walk before they let one of the best overall players in the game walk in his prime.
It's really not about the player anymore - It's simply what contract makes sense in building a TEAM for a CB.... Guy could literally be Superman... Now, what is a reasonable deal for Injured Superman? You present some good opinions but, i'm not so sure a team could afford top QB money and top QB money again for a CB and if that would be prudent..... I'd love to see what you think a fair deal would be so we can compare it to what DR demands or gets.... hey, at this point, I'm pessimistic about some other team offering up much more than peanuts Just for the rights to pay an Injured CB like a QB.... So, if you think they can wiggle him in to the NYJ cap and still build a contender, I'm all for it.
I don't really blame him for wanting the money he wants. You don't really get this oppurtunity for a big contract but once in your career and he's going to make the most of it. I want him to stay a jet and retire a jet. I think the jets need to make that happen
Sherman doesn't have the stats and film to hold out like Revis did. Enough of this "Mevis" BS... Revis is just doing what any of us would do if we were in his position. He's a rare talent that comes once a generation and he's trying to realize his full value. I have no problems with how he's acted or how his agents have acted... they are fighting for every last dollar and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Someone will pay him and that's all that matters. Fact is though, they'd much rather get that money in 2013 then have to wait another year when he'll be 29 and staring down the barrel of diminishing skills after 2014 and 2015...
In order: They let Ty Law go after an injury season at the age of 29. This followed letting Lawyer Milloy go at 29. It preceded letting Asante Samuel go at 27. The Patriots pattern is to let their defensive backs who want real money go as they head into the post-prime period. Note that they kept Rodney Harrison until he was 36. Harrison had a very team-friendly contract for 6 seasons (6 years, $14.5 million with only $2.5 million signing bonus), he reduced the contract several times for the Pats to maintain his position. Richard Seymour held out in the last year of his rookie deal and secured a 3 year $30 million extension as a result of the hold out. He played two of the three seasons and then the Patriots traded him in the contract year for what would effectively have been his third contract. Asante Samuel was looking for franchise CB money on his second contract. The Pats had already said no to Ty Law and others in the same situation. Saying no to Samuel was easy for them and that's what they did. Read Logan Mankins contract. It was reported as the highest contract for an interior lineman at 6 years and $51 million. The contract has $30 million in guarantees including the bonus in it. However it has $20.5 million in salaries in the back 3 years of the deal. Those salaries are all going to come down if Mankins does not maintain an All-Pro performance level. The dead money cost for trading or cutting Mankins after 2013 is $10 million and then he's off the books. The cost after 2014 is $6.67M. Obviously if Revis will take a deal where he gets paid just 39% of the contract's value in bonus money and then gets just 14% of the salaries in the first 2 years and 40% of the salaries (mostly non-guaranteed) in the last 3 years of a 6 year deal he becomes much more manageable on the cap. As an example if the Revis deal was 6 years and $84 million ($14 million a year) with just $32.76 million up front and $11.76 million in salaries in the first 2 years and had just $49 million in guarantees with the back end of the contract having $33.6 million in salaries mostly non-guaranteed it would be much more manageable for the Jets although still a heavy hit for a CB.
The problem is that he will probably holdout again. He has done it twice and once after a great year. So we sign him for 12 million, what stops from holding out next year or the following year because he had a great season? That's the worrisome part. You don't know when or if he's ever going to stop holding out. I would love to keep him here for 4-5 years for 12 million, but there is no guarantee he plays out his contract. That's the problem.
Your post is assuming DR will only accept top QB money. I doubt that's the case as nobody is going to give him a Drew Brees-like contract. In reality, he'll get a contract on par with the top defensive players in the league - if not slightly the highest. I'm not a cap expert, I'll admit this. But I think the Jets can make this work. Plenty of teams have a very highly paid defensive player and a franchise QB making top dollars.. The Jets can follow this path. The problem isn't DR anyway. Huge Contracts like Calvin Pace's, David Harris's, Mark Sanchez's Santonio Holmes' etc.. are what has hurt this franchise. Players that are getting major money and not performing. The Jets made it work paying top QB dollars and top dollars to DR for years now. The problem is that one of them played to par and one didn't... that's what held them back. Not paying Revis. It's not as if the Jets are making a choice between Revis AND a franchise QB anyway... Why set your franchise back in anticipation of someone that doesn't exist as of yet? Pay Revis, get rid of some of the expensive smucks (they've already started this). With the new rookie wage scale and the lessening of the learning curve for your QBs, every team is a lucky draft pick away from having a franchise QB on the cheap. Ideally the Jets could pay Revis and other players that are good - strike gold in the draft and then 3 years down the line when this QB wants his money, that's when you make the position vs. dollars choice with Revis - when he's in his 30s and there's actually a QB here to decide between. Obviously that's an ideal scenario, but trading Revis right now for a low return is a bad path IMO.
Well I disagree that it never leaked over to "on the field". Revis hurting his hamstring in 2010 was about as predictable as any injury in the NFL - a defensive back's likelihood of pulling a leg muscle or straining (or tearing) a tendon or ligament in their legs goes up exponentially when they aren't practicing and then go right out into playing in games. In fact, I was furious at Rex (at the time) for letting him play immediately without several weeks of practice. By sitting out the entire training camp and preseason, Revis absolutely let his selfishness affect the team.
Not only is he a hold-out cancer ... but I'd describe him as the biggest hold-out cancer in the league. I can't think of anyone else even close.
The fact of the matter is that N.E. made these tough choices with a Tom Brady ready on the other side to buffer any mistakes... and many of those choices WERE mistakes. The Jets don't have that buffer. So why get rid of a player for the sake of it?? NE paid Ty Law top $$ for a long time and he was a major reason they were able to win SBs. When they were in a similar situation pre-Brady, 1999/2000 ish and they had a struggling QB but the games top CB, they didn't choose to unload Ty Law, they chose to pay him what he deserved and they got 3 SBs out of the deal.
