Cooks is perfect for the WCO. Marty even went to Cook's pro day and visited with him separately. If we sign DJ, I believe we are going in a different direction in Rd 1, since we will have addressed two WRs in FA. I still think we will add a couple of more WRs in later rounds since we have 12 picks. Benjamin will be a developmental player, but could turn out to be a terrific player down the road. I would pass on KB, we need players to contribute now, not projects with our 1st rd pick.
If Johnny Manziel is there @ 18 you HAVE to take him, vick is only signed for 1 season & geno hasn't really shown anything. I would also take Cooks or Beckham before Bell in a heartbeat.
Your description of him alone puts him @ least in the 2nd rd, what good is a wide receiver who has trouble catching the ball, we already have a player like that on the roster, see Hill. He sounds like one of the toys from misfit island, who wants to play with a charlie in the box or a water gun that squirts jelly or wide receiver that can't catch the ball. :/
I believe Benjamin can be coached out of his drops, he actually has very natural hands but his drops result from looking upfield trying to make a play after the catch. Hill doesn't catch balls with fluidity when he does catch him, and he's much more likely to drop a ball he stares all the way into his hands.
I think Decker is the perfect WR to help him develop his technique too. It may seem like I'm pushing for this guy really hard, but I'm pretty much fine with taking a number of players. I just believe this guy is going to be really good, and I think a lot of the knocks on him are invalid. I'm no Florida State fan or anything, and maybe my eyes are lying to me but I just like what he can do.
Can't coach out drops. You either have the ability to catch the ball or not. Some receives don't have the mental make up to concentrate to excel catching the football. I truly believe catching the ball is a God given talent, physical and mental. You can work on technique and spend hours upon hours on the Jugs machine which may help some, but if you don't have the ability it isn't going to help.
I understand your opinion, and I agree to an extent. I believe that can be true in certain players, for example Stephen Hill. When I look at players with drops, I see different reasons for those drops, especially when comparing the catches they have made. I think Benjamin's overall tape shows a WR who can catch, but needs to refine his routes and technique. You can see him do exactly what you'd want him to do most of the time, but you also see the inconsistency. When he moves up to an NFL team, team him up with a guy who will get him to come in early, stay late, repetition after repetition after repetition, route after route. That's how you get better at your technique, that's how you become consistent. I think that all the natural talent that comes with his size, athleticism, and body control are sitting right there, and he already is excellent at winning contested balls and has great run after the catch. This guy is Alshon Jeffrey but quicker and an inch taller, and with freaky long arms.
Enjoy the love for the player. He is a specimen and it would be amazing for the Jets to have a Megatron. Having read the entire thread a couple times and compared a few scouting reports on each realistically he and Stephen Hill are much closer than I think you're willing to admit. That doesn't mean he'll turn out the same by any means. It just means the Jets need to get this draft right. No projects in the first 2-3 rounds. Not giving you a hard time but your description I pasted in below is almost identical to what I recall reading about Hill (other than being an inch taller) He is an outrageously athletic 6'5" giant of a WR, with natural hands, ability to catch in traffic, a good hand fighter, a willing and productive blocker, elevation well over almost all DBs, who can burn DBs deep, has great body control, effort, and run after the catch. The downside for him is he needs to work on maintaining routes from start to finish to develop true consistency, and cut down on focus drops.
The key difference is, as I stated, there was next to no film of Hill actually doing any of those things. His draft stock skyrocketed because of his combine measurables, whereas I'm looking at Benjamin's game film full of examples of him actually dominating DBs in this fashion. Benjamin was considered a round 1-2 WR by many scouts before the combine. Hill was considered a 3rd-4th round WR at best before his combine. Benjamin is not nearly the project Hill is. I don't know how to reiterate again that Benjamin's game production compared to Hill's lack of it makes them an improper comparison. Just because people overhyped Hill and made his scouting report sound better than it should have doesn't mean Benjamin is the same player.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2...uarterback-conundrum-harks-back-to-2011-class http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts/bucky-brooks/195603 Jut saw these, but they offer examples of why it is not always a good idea to take a qB over pro-ready position players. It's why I have the QB's falling a bit in the draft, although the top 3 still go in the first round.
Locker, Gabbert, Ponder and Dalton are no where near the players as Teddy and Manziel and I dare say Carr and Bortles seems to be that guy whom many are projecting as the next prototypical NFL QB. Because a prior draft was filled with weak prospects that were taken way too high does not mean you shy away from someone who you are convinced will be a franchise guy. And not taking a QB in the first round of a mock draft is just someone trying to be a contrarian. _
There's also plenty of tape of him dropping passes that by all means should have been caught. He also disappeared in a lot of big moments in games. He put up fewer yards than Cooks, even though he had a Heisman winning QB throwing to him. Hell, Lee put up more yards in his sophomore year than Benjamin did in his entire college career. With the level of talent in the 1st round this year at a variety of positions of need, I will loose my shit if we pick a WR who isn't reliable in catching the ball.
Obviously it is about being contrarian. My mock did have QBs taken in the first, I'm just saying there will be teams out there in the top 10 who will want to take skill players over QBs at such high picks.
Just sharing because I'm not alone in my assessment of Benjamin http://turnonthejets.com/2014/03/2014-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-fables-part-1/ KELVIN BENJAMIN, FLORIDA STATE -Games Viewed: Duke, Boston College, NC State, Florida -Catching Ability Score: -(.125) Yep, Benjamin was really that bad. It gets even uglier because the rest of his game is extremely flawed and forgettable, but I’ll try and stick to the topic at hand. To start, Benjamin’s discipline is bad enough where at times it’s hard to argue that he cares out there. He’s either careless or painfully unaware. On one play here and there it might click for him, but the steps towards making catches easier just never connect for him. He drops passes starting with focus issues, and the drops range all the way to not making a condemned effort. Here are some examples of the usual lows and occasional highs you’ll find with him. Here’s a nice adjustment reaction from Benjamin that resulted in one of his only big flashes, a 2.5 point increase. The confidence he had turning his head without turning his body at all really impressed me. I apologize for the poor quality and cutting I did for this GIF, but it still should be very visible that Benjamin willingly sits back on this pass despite clearly seeing the incoming defender, who deflects it into his teammate’s hands for an easy interception. His discipline is also a major question here, as he doesn’t drive through the defender at the point of the catch even though he could have since he shifted his body weight. He was bullied after making a crucial mistake, and it doesn’t get much worse than that. Confidence in ability: None. For a receiver as incapable as Benjamin can prove to be at times without any sort of basis of skill in catching ability to fall back on, I don’t see how Benjamin miraculously turns it around.
Are you looking at game film or are you looking at YouTube highlights? Because he was not a consistent player at all
I watched game film of him, although I can't say what I saw was every snap of every game. I don't think I said he was a consistent player, the negatives I spoke about in at least 1 of my posts included some inconsistency. I do however think that consistency is a bit overblown, and I may not put Benjamin so high on other mocks but I haven't argued that my drafted position for him was perfect. I was arguing a point that saying he is Hill 2.0 is over dramatization, because with Hill he literally only caught a couple balls in his career and they were all go-routes. There is plenty of film on Benjamin showing him do a lot of different things very well, he just doesn't do it well every time. Honestly, if Benjamin was a very consistent player he would probably be the best or at least second best WR in the draft. People were saying that Benjamin is like Hill in that he is unrefined and a project, which in a way is true but in key ways it is not true. People assumed they could coach Hill up and make him a good WR because of his measureables. People assume they can coach Benjamin up and make him a good WR because he already is a good WR with some inconsistent habits. See the difference?
Hill has a highlight reel too and it was beating small defensive backs for jump balls similar to Benjamin. The Jets need to find contributors and that he is not going to be. His skills yell Megatron and his production yells waste. He's the new Mike Williams. Williams did things in limited action that put stars in people's eyes and he turned out to be inconsistent. The same crap is going to happen with this guy and you will forget about him in less than a season unless the Jets are dumb enough to take him. You will forget about him.
Hill's only highlight real showed every play he ever made because he made so few. I wasn't watching a highlight reel, I was watching game film, complete with drops, picks, passes defensed, blocks, and missed blocks. Yes, some players bust. Some players do not. I haven't been saying he is the player the Jets need to draft to solve all of their problems, simply defending why I have interest in him. Maybe he will be a bust, but if he doesn't, I'll be saving this post for you. Any time you make guarantees you are opening a 50% chance to sound like a fool.
Gil Brandt@Gil_Brandt Kelvin Benjamin 30th in my new rankings. Was told KB recently blew off workout w NFL coach who had made special trip, said he was too tired 3:37pm · 10 Apr 14 · web
