Uhm, yeah, whatever... words mean nothing, the facts will bare themselves out just wait & see. ps- no sky is falling just pointing out the obvious.
I think Manziel will be a Very good QB in the NFL, he will surprise many people out there, hopefully the Jets are able to select him & let Marty work with him & coach him up. The skies the limit for the kid.
First of all the only thing obvious about that statement is how bad your grammar is. Second, if you really think Matt Simms is going to beat out Geno Smith for the 3rd string QB position this year, you probably know less about football than anyone on this board, and that is REALLY saying something, because there are some seriously ignorant people on here.
That's not true at all. I am always for getting top talent but the guys I want are not reaches or taken strictly on need. You'd see I would want BPA at S and CB in round 4.... Getting starters/contributors on this team is more important then a backup center(Even if he gets taught guard which I guess the OP would be doing).
First off braindead, you have NO concept of grammar, secondly, like I stated in a previous post, if Simms is given a fair chance at competing for the QB position he WILL beat out the genome. PERIOD.
If Simms is the given the same opportunity as he was last year then I agree with you but if he is given a FAIR chance at the QB position he WILL beat out geno.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. He has great instincts, is a competitor and a very good arm, but is too small, his character is very questionable, and I'm not at all sure he'll be able to curtail his desire to run when things break down. If he doesn't he's as good as dead. Even if he stays in the pocket, he's not gonna be able to absorb many hits. He could surprise me, but I think in all likelihood he's gonna be yet another in a long line of players who were great in college, or even Heisman Trophy winners, and become either busts or meh in the NFL.
It most certainly IS true. Listen, I'm totally of the opinion that one must not adhere to any one guiding principle (BPA) blindly in the draft or in building a team. I think one has to weigh several factors such as need, importance of position, if the player's talents fit your system, how you see him in the NFL (Will he be a great player? Will he be a player you can come in and contribute immediately, but never be more than a solid role player or starter? Will he need to sit or be brought along slowly, but become a very good player within a year or two?) vs your team's immediate needs, is he more athletic and potential than actual production or is he more of an overachiever, the player's character and work ethic, etc. It's not a particularly good or deep draft for safeties. There could be only 1-2 safeties in the 4th round that the Jets like and think could fit their system, and they quite possibly might never get a chance to draft them. Neither of us knows for certain where NFL teams will rank the prospects, or more importantly, where the Jets will rank them. Neither do we know whether Idzik will stick to BPA regardless or if he'll adapt/change his philosophy a little and focus a little more on needs. Additionally, at both picks in the 4th round, players you like at both positions may be sitting there, but the Jets think that neither/none of them are good values at their picks in the 4th round, or there might be players at other positions of need (OG, OLB) that they have ranked higher. BPA at S and/or CB in the 4th round might not be anywhere near the BPA left on the board and the Jets' picks. Just because they're the best S or CB prospect left at that point doesn't mean that they're the BPA available or that that the Jets should or would take them. There are always exceptions, and in general you have a point that starters are more important than backups, but let's look at a possible scenario. Let's say the Jets take the S or CB you covet in the 4th round and he turns out to be a jag type player in the NFL. Further, let's say that Mangold (perish the thought) goes down with a serious injury early in the season and they have no quality backup at C. What if, instead of taking that jag S or CB, the Jets took a C like Weston Richburg because they had him as a much higher-ranked player than the S or CB, and then Mangold goes down with that injury? What's more important then, having a jag starter at S or CB when they could have had that anyway with someone already on the team, or having a quality backup that could step in and play at a pretty high level due to being a better player than the S or CB you wanted? Other teams have quality depth. They lose a starter and the backup comes in and the team hardly misses a beat. That happens with the Jets, and the team's play falls off a cliff. Most often you can't address every single need your team has each season in a quality fashion. Sometimes you just have to accept that it's better to go with what you have at a position and further strengthen another area of the team, and know that you have to address that need in the following offseason.
You are delusional, no ifs, ands or buts about it if you truly think that and aren't just trolling. The idea that Simms could beat out Geno is laughable and shows you have no clue what you're talking about with regard to QBs.
If we passed on the 15th best available player for the 18th because he fills a bigger need, I don't think that there's anything wrong in that. That's what kind of drives me mad about people who vouch for BPA>Need like its religion. People start to get off on the deep end that the player we take isn't the best available(But isn't far behind the "BPA" that these professional draft gurus touch) and thus think we have "reached", which is a somewhat flawed term in its own right that we all(Myself included) all fall victim to. If Lewan fell and Pryor/Dennard were still on the board for pick 18, I see nothing wrong with taking the latter two. Both guys might not even make it to the Jets by pick 18 so getting them is a pleasant surprise and a shot right in the arm of our biggest problem, our secondary. At some point though, you need to address your biggest need on the team. I just think you need to be really fortunate and lucky to get a solid/good starter by those later rounds because as shown every year, the amount of late round picks who turn out to be solid contributors, or better yet big time players isn't high. We chose to not go after secondary in FA(Barring Patterson), now that indicates that we are going to be in the draft looking for them and waiting until the late rounds is really walking a fine line. By those late rounds, you expect to get depth players/projects/special teams contributors....anything more is sweet. Jets have 4 6th round picks and a 7th.....if we get one GOOD non-special team starter out of those right out of the gates or somewhere in year 1 or even year 2(Sometimes teams don't wait on these late rounders to develop though), then you have to consider that a major success on the part of our scouts and coaches. And that's why if the value is right, I want to get those guys early...I don't think this team can afford to go with Landry as the majority free safety on this team and think other teams won't go after him. Getting late round pick players and possibly throwing them into the fire would put a lot of stress on those guys and basically tell other teams to go after them from the get go. Thus, they will get graded unfairly and we'll go back to the wheelwagon looking for a replacement by the next draft or the following draft. Jets like every team want to get a talent infusion of young guys...absolutely. But we don't have the luxury to start drafting a backup center/project guard. We're not at the point of a San Francisco or Seattle who can take a Marcus Lattimore, stash em for a year and reap the potential rewards. Because of our last GM trading up in almost every single draft, our depth over the past 3 or so years has been humiliating. Idzik to his credit, has been hot and heavy to fix this, like how he approached FA last year by strictly picking up released players to keep the compensation pick total where it is now. Idzik respectfully has chosen to not get crazy in FA, which means he plans to get the help in the draft. It is why I am expecting him to get a contributor at S and CB, two of our biggest needs. Hoping a J. Jarrett or whatever reclamation project or late round pick Rex has there is shooting for the stars. I know backup center is an important spot and I do hope we have a capable player(God forbid we get another Colin Baxter 2.0)....but given Mangold is healthy and fine right now, I don't go in thinking we need a Mangold replacement if he does get hurt by using a valuable(To the Jets) 4th round pick on. I go into the draft thinking my franchise center that is getting highly paid is going to be up and right for a majority of the snaps and do not view that as something to go after if the draft falls the way it does. Worst case scenario is we take Richburg, Mangold plays a majority of his snaps in the next 3-4 years and by year 3-4(Whatever years he signs on for), Richburg opts for more playing time elsewhere rather than wait around as "Mangold's replacement" regardless of Mangold's age given he wants to cash in while he's young and in demand. That's what happens to these players like a Ryan Mallett....you take them in round 3 for the sake of getting the BPA that fell to you. What did the Pats get out of Mallett? Some preseason starts? Week 17 filler time? Brady like Mangold for us, will never lose their job unless play dropped significantly(Which would be a shock given what Mangold's given us throughout his career) and Mallett is wasted away as a backup that teams are weary of even trading for due to his uncertainty/lack of playing time. Now Mallett is still the backup Quarterback and may never get time outside of those blowout/irrelevant snaps for New England.
I don't think we're that far apart. In general, I agree with your bolded statement, but I think it depends upon how far the 15th and 18th players are in rankings/points. If, for example, the 18th best player is 5 points behind the #15, then I think that's close enough. If he's 10-15 behind, but plays a much more important position and a position that is a greater need, then that's probably ok, but I wouldn't go any further than that. Sometimes, there's a huge drop off between players. I remember in some drafts a few GMs saying for instance that they thought there were only 8 or 13 players who were worthy of a 1st round pick. Using this draft, what if there were 15 players who were clearly heads and shoulders above the rest, and then there was a pretty steep decline between #15 and #16. Would you still have no problems taking #18 over #15? I would. Yes, at some point you do need to address your biggest needs, but sometimes you have to wait until the next offseason because you don't think there's anyone in the draft or FA who would be any better than what you presently have, or there might be a player who is more athletic, but maybe doesn't have the right skill set to fit your system or who has huge character concerns that you're just not willing to take a risk on. We've seen with Seattle that not only starters but very good players can be found in those lower rounds. Yes, luck is part of it, but so is skill. I would be very disappointed if the out of all those 6th and 7th round picks the Jets have this year, they only came away with one good STer and it was year 2 before he contributed. I would hope that Idizk would find 2-3 good role players/depth out of that and maybe even a decent starter or two. Schneider does that well. Why can't Idzik? Hey, I think most of us (all those who don't want the first 4-5 picks to be all offensive guys) want to see those positions addressed early. I agree regarding Landry. Drafting depth isn't just a luxury, it's important. Injuries are a part of the game. You have to be prepared and plan for them to happen, because they will. Look at Carolina last year. They had a TON of injuries in their secondary, and all their depth guys stepped in and played at a high level. If they hadn't, they may not have even made the playoffs and Rivera might have gotten fired. No, we're not on the same level as SF or Seattle, but that's a reason that Idzik could take a very good player at a position who could compete for a starting job and be quality depth over an extended period of time over a jag-type player who might start for a year or two and then be off the team. The Jets aren't going anywhere this year. They're still building. Thus, it isn't critical that they fill every single hole with a new player this year. It just isn't realistic imo. You make my point for me in talking about how Tanny left the cupboard bare and Idizk is working to restock it. He's not finished with depth by any means. I just don't see Idzik as the type who will panic and reach for a player just because he thinks a position isn't adequately addressed. I think if he believes that a player isn't going to be a quality addition over the long haul, he isn't going to take him regardless of how great the need. What would the Pats have gotten out of Mallett if Brady had gone down with an injury? Where would they have been if they didn't have Mallett? Sometimes that peace of mind is worth the cost. That's why we have insurance for our cars, homes, health and life. Shit happens, and those who don't have that protection can be devastated, whereas those who do, may never have it, but are glad they have that safety net, and it's worth whatever they give up to have it.
The Pats supposedly turned down a 2nd round pick for Mallet twice. Whether that's retarded or not is a legit question but clearly he is highly valued by multiple organizations despite his relegation to backup duty.
He was considered a 1st or 2nd round talent coming out, with some off the field concerns. The Pats nabbed him in the 3rd at good value. They are grooming him to take over after Brady, just as Rodgers did for Favre. You know what would really suck? If Mallet wins a Superbowl by his third season as starter like Rodgers did. I'm pretty sure if the Packers had traded Rodgers even for a mid first round pick before Favre left we'd be saying they were retarded, not the opposite. They developed Rodgers the right way, he sat and learned for 3 years behind a HoF QB. Mallet was drafted in 2011, and he has been sitting behind Brady for 3 years. Only the Pats would go all in and win the SB this year, have Brady retire on a high note, and have Mallet prepared to take over in 2015. Of course there is a reasonable chance it doesn't work out like this, but then again there is a reasonable chance it does.
That also depends on what's the injury status with Dalton Freeman (2013 UDFA, Clemson) who was having a hell of a camp up at Cortland until he suffered a knee injury on a goal line drill in early August. Was released at the end of August and then signed to the practice squad two days later. Wonder what the deal is with him.
