I think the chances of Sam improving significantly are so low that that part isn't too relevant, and I'm not sure I'd want him influencing a rookie in the veteran role. Would much prefer an older QB who has shown some semblance of smart QB play during his career.
Breer: https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/02/10/nfl-mailbag-remembering-marty-schottenheimer-2021-quarterbacks
How would it be a good situation? We just drafted a rookie QB to be our future QB. If Sam played well, Jets fan and the media would be clamoring to keep him, and the Jets would have to sign him to an expensive contract to keep him, or he'd walk in FA and at best, we'd get a 3rd round compensatory pick. If we kept Sam, we wouldn't get value in a trade for the rookie we had just drafted, and we'd miss out on having a cheap QB contract for 4 more years. Ironically, many of the people clamoring not to trade for Watson is because he would cost too much and we aren't ready to compete. Well, if Sam played well and we re-signed/extended him he could cost as much as Watson, or at least close to it, and we still wouldn't be ready to compete. The only advantage would be that we wouldn't have had to have traded away draft capital, but we still wouldn't have a QB as good as Watson. For Sam's sake, I don't think he should start anywhere next year. The only reason JD and Saleh should want to bring Sam back is if they're planning on having the worst possible record they can have in 2021 so that they'll be drafting in the top 10 or top 5 next year and have a chance to get an elite pass rusher.
If Darnold was just coming out, he’d go 2nd behind Lawrence... a lot of teams feel he can still be a good Qb... he’s got a good arm, bad inconsistent mechanics... There’s a reason teams are contacting the Jets...
I don't think that situation would be that odd. Shanahan is an experienced coach and is secure in SF. LaFleur is a first-time OC and Saleh a first time HC, and neither have experience developing a QB. That would be a lot of pressure on them as well as on Darnold to play well, and if he didn't then he'd be leaving and they'd be starting over from scratch at QB in 2022 and would have wasted a year of their contract. I would be totally surprised if they were willing to risk their reputations and possibly career on Darnold, but it wouldn't really surprise me to see Shanahan take that risk, as he already has a SB-caliber team, he just needs a better QB.
If Sam played well then we had a good year and good production out of the position. Having to re-sign a player that just played well is a good situation to have. And as you said, if he walks we get a better pick compensatory wise than trading him for a fourth or fifth. Also - if he plays well, he likely wouldn't command the massive contract that you're estimating given it'll be his first good year. We'll see. I think he'll be gone anyways. But I think both Wilson and Fields should sit for a year anyway. The veteran QB we'd be looking at is likely a CJ Breathard type. I'd take my chances with Sam if the trade package isn't worth it over Breathard.
No chance. Both Wilson and Fields have better production, way less turnover concerns, and grade higher in PFF ratings and other advanced metrics.
Who is it? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/ Dalton? Fitzmagic PT II? Tyrod Taylor maybe?
Alls true. I just worry that JD won't fall in love with ANY of this year's crop, looking instead to 2022. Heck, even WE can't decide on a clear cut FQB out of this group. If that happens, I'm hoping a full college season (unlike this last one) will produce good QB prospects no one's even talking about yet. That's gotta be what JD is hoping for too, if he goes this route.
I am mainly thinking Tyrod Taylor. He's mobile and somewhat similar to Wilson, Fields and Lance, and should be available for around $6-$7 million, maybe less. He was only $5.5 million this past season. Dalton and Fitzmagic would be other possibilities.
He's not a free agent yet, although they may cut him without penalty. Not a bad option. I feel like he's heading to New England though.
If JD forgoes the draft and is thinking about keeping Sam, switching to Mariota would be a better option, if he comes cheap.
Darnold had better production - he was a more prolific passer on a game by game basis, more yards than Fields (who is a 200 yard/game guy), more td’s than Wilson in less games than both. Played a tougher schedule than either with less team talent vs the opposition. Played in a pro style offense (vs Ohio State/Fields) and no injury concerns vs Wilson). None of the 3 come without concerns, flaws... Also Darnold was the only guy with a prototypical NFL frame... broad shoulders, thick trunk, 6’4” frame... people were comparing him to Ben/Wentz when he was coming out. His pro day in the rain was said to be one of the best ever. Also as a side note the advanced metrics stuff hasn’t really meant anything. Baker scored the highest (his year), Josh Allen bombed them. Tua scored better than Burrow in many, and Wilson/Fields not only score better than Darnold, they score better than Mahomes... . With all that said, I’m not even saying we keep Darnold... I just think it’s disingenuous to say he wasn’t a good NFL prospect now because he’s had a sucky NFL career.
He also accounted for 31 touchdowns (passing + rushing) to 22 turnovers (interceptions + fumbles) in his last year at USC. He played relatively the same level of talent in a conference known for bad defense versus Fields who played with in a conference known for its defense (in much colder weather mind you. We'll see how the talent level stacks up. On the 2017 USC roster, they ended up with ten players including Darnold that made it to the league. Two high calibre NFL players in Ronald Jones (#2 rusher in the conference) and Michael Pittman (WR3 that year). In 2016 he JuJu Smith-Schuster as well. I agree - he was a highly rated prospect. But I don't think the rosters or competition level in comparison to Fields is that drastically different. Wilson is another story. I don't really like comparing across draft classes there because of hindsight. There are also so many damn factors and the players this year had the unique situation with Covid restricting practices, altering schedules, etc. I do genuinely think that Fields 2020 line would've looked similar to his 2019 production when all was said and done in a normal year. People forget how much Trevor Lawrence struggled at the beginning of last year and had a full schedule to work through his troubles. They were in a dogfight versus A+M and beat North Carolina on a failed 2-point conversion. He had a turnover in 5 of his first 6 games (forget Charlotte) and multiple picks in three of those games.
He actually accounted for 36 tds... I’m fine with moving on from Darnold for both contract reasons and a fresh Qb start. I did however go back and watch all Darnold’s 2020 throws and I can’t help but notice how much damn pressure he is under... It really does look like mahomes in the SB... but it’s every game, almost every play for an entire season... regardless of who is behind center going forward, the Jets need to address their line and if they don’t then make sure our young Qb sits and doesn’t see the field. Regardless if you hate Darnold, the Jets didn’t do him any favors.
He was not always under pressure. His lack of pocket presence put him under pressure. He often ran right into it, stood instead of moving up or move out of the pocket too quickly. That means the game is too fast for him I dont know how much more evidence anyone needs hes not good. Saw ghosts when beli just blitzed all game Admitted he makes rash decisions and not logical and camt control it No pocket presence Doeant know where blitzes are coming from unable to read coverage Inaccurate as all hell Td to int ratio, pretty much what it was in college Footwork is atrocious Throws of backfoot often and with only arm when he doesnt need to Comeback wins are virtually non existant now and in college All this tells you he hasnt improved at all and the NFLs worst team is still MUCH better than thw best college team. I just dont understand how anyone can see anything else....well i do but at this point whoever see better is just being delusional. Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow. The fact is, he’s going to get another shot because he’s talented. The only thing we don’t know is whether it’s with the Jets (1 more year) or elsewhere. No reason to get all emo about this.
