Don't look for common sense from milcus when you're discussing the Jets QB situation. He's been beating his meat on Brokeneck Mountain ever since the Jets missed the playoffs.
Tanny, if he so chose, could have said something like we expect that a new approach on O this coming season will help Mark. I mean isn't that what many here were complaining was not happening with Schotty still the OC? But no. He talked about Sanchez solely in terms of Sanchez. No excuse making. I agree with Noam here - what is Tanny up to? Some theories. 1. Confirming the Obvious. As Tanny did mention, Sanchez himself takes blame, and no one would argue with Tanny's observation on the level of a general observation in the context of the Jets' 8-8 record. It doesn't necessarily tip his hand regarding anything going forward. 2. The Light a Fire/Stop Coddling Strategy. I am not so sure this is an effective strategy regarding Sanchez himself, but there are other members of the audience here, including players who agree with Jenkins's assessment that the CS has been coddling Sanchez. I think it likely that that audience will hear in what Tanny said some evidence that things with the way Mark is handled may be different going forward. 3. Preparing the Fans for a Big Move. Hm. I can't rule this out, and of course Tanny does like the big move. And so does Woody. It's possible no matter what Tanny thinks about Sanchez that if he's gotten the message that Woody feels differently, that he works for Woody and has to do what Woody wants. I don't really know which of these three is the actual strategy Tanny has in mind, but I frankly think it is some combination of 1 and 2, and nothing more than that.
its funny when people say the cap has never stopped the jets from targeting someone they wanted... so are you expecting them to come out and say... hey we really wanted to target this guy in free agency but we fucked up the cap the last few years so we arent going to do that. no instead you hear nothing.... so please dont tell me it stopped them from targeting people, it did, it does on every team, every year.
The problems that led Reggie Bush to have a 1,000 yd season? in 3 of his 4 years there they ran it very well.
No Schotty was never the problem :rofl2: And anything Mr.T saya about number six needs to be prefaced with "well I was the guy hat gave Wane Hunter a shitload of money to play Right Tackle"
The playbook wasn't too thick in 2009 & 2010 when the OL was good(excellent in '09, good in '10)? All of a sudden in 2011 the OC decided to make the playboo thicker and more complicated?
C'mon Junc we've known each other for fr too long to engage in that kind of Mickey Mouse bullshit The play book has ALWAYS UNDERPERFORMED relative to the talent FOR SIX YEARS
I disagree, the only season I was really disappointed in the offense was 2011, we were changing QBs every year or 2, WRs every year, OL, this was the first time we had the same QB for 3 straight years and most of the same OL.
It's funny that you would say this, when our 2011 offense had more TDs than either 2009 or 2010. We averaged more offensive ppg in 2011, than either one and Sanchez threw the 3rd most TDs in the AFC, not far behind number 2. Our offense still improved last year, despite how people make it out to be the worst offense we've had since Rex took over. That's simply not true. We certainly struggled in certain areas, but there was improvement, and if not for the oline and Schotty, there would have been a lot more improvement. Anybody who claims regression is simply wrong and must have missed 2009 where we could barely score 14 a game. 2012 is going to be a whole new ball game, but yeah, our offense has been mediocre with Schotty the entire time he's been here besides early 2008, when Favre was calling his own plays. We've seen him falter in the clutch and not use basic tactics to manage the clock properly. We've seen him lean on an injured struggling QB in our most important games of the year without even attempting to establish the run. We've seen him get LT injured in garbage time, which hurt us more than most realize. Yeah, let's have LT do the runs up the middle, while trying to force Greene into the passing game when their strengths are actually the opposite. Schotty is dumb, plain and simple, and seems to be afraid to design 20 yard passing plays instead of the bare minimum every time.
The #s look nice but our QB and our were significantly better in 2010. remember, in '10 sanchez led many key drives to win games, this year he and the O failed more often than not and they did put the D in bad spots w/ TOs(not just Sanchez). The D needed to play better too but this was the first year I was disappointed in the O. I will take our '10 O over the '11 O any day.
I think the offense improved in certain areas such as ability to score but definitely regressed in terms of big plays and clutch plays. I agree with nyjunc that the '10 offense did more than the '11 offense, but that's as a whole, not Sanchez in particular. I'd like to think that if the complete '10 OL and WR core (i.e. Braylon) had transferred over to '11, things would have looked a LOT better.
This post is a classic case of cherry picking stats. The ppg game number was only marginally better, going from 22.9 to 23.6. And given the overall increase in Offense, it was still only tied for twelfth as compared to thirteenth the prior season. Not a great number, but much better than Sanchez's Qb rating of 23rd, if you are trying to isolate why it was not better. But of course the ppg numbert leaves out the increase in Sanchez interceptions from 17 to 26, fumbles lost by Sanchez increasing from 1 to 8, and the attendant lost opportunities those turnovers meant in the overall performance of the O, not to mention the pressure they put on the D and the turnovers returned for scores. And thinge like Sanchez giving up a safety in the Giant game. Net of those adverse elements, referring only to ppg is a completely misleading stat. THe dumping on Schotty is perhaps interesting in historical terms, but he is gone. It is meaningless. The O will likely be different in at least some material respects, so that an isolation of Schotty as the variable will be complicated. Despite that, the criticism of using Greene in the passing game is ridiculous. Even if at some point last season it was thought LT might return one more year, you as a coach would still want to see how much more varied Greene could be as an all purpose back. Trying to use him more with passes is "forcing him into the passing game"? OMG that is so lame. And there was not a single game all season when they didn't attempt to establish the passing game. You might have thought they didn't try enough, but to say they didn't try at all is simply inaccurate. Lastly, Schotty was so dumb he got a job with one of the more established and respected HC's in the league in Jeff Fisher. Fisher is certainly more respected than many, I would guess including Rex Ryan. And of course Schotty was also the OC when the Jets went to two AFC Champ games in a row. It was time to move on no doubt. But let's not waste this off season complaining about Schotty. And cherry pick stats at the same time. The fact is the O was worse in 11 for several reasons, but mostly they had to do with Mark Sanchez not being very good.
