Mr. E's FIRST Mock Draft 12/5/08

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  1. The GM

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    I didn't say he was the bee's knees here - I'm just saying he has shown improvement on a team that has not been a true team since he has been there. Like you said all of the guys there are only there for 2 years and they play in a very, very tough conference. If you put Matt Ryan's Eagles, who were more talented and much more of a team than Freeman's Wildcats, in the Big 12, they probably would have been under .500. Would you then say that Matt Ryan is not a good QB? I'm not calling Freeman the next Matt Ryan, but I am saying it is hard to judge Freeman's ability on his years so far at Kansas State.

    He does have the benefit of his stats though, as I said before that every aspect of his game has improved every year. He won't be able to come in and start right away like Bradford or Stafford or even McCoy, probably not even after one season of coaching. But if he lands in an Aaron Rodgers type of deal, or even gets 2 full seasons of NFL coaching under a good QB coach, I think he can be a very good NFL QB.
     
  2. Mr Electric

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    I think the Big 12 is a 3 team conference. Last season's ACC that Matt Ryan played in was a very good conference. I wouldn't compare the two. The Big 12 is way better than the ACC this season, but last year it was about the same.

    Boston College is a far better team than Kansas State...this year and last.

    I don't place all of the blame on Freeman for Kansas State sucking, Ron Prince was fired for a reason. My point was Freeman gets a lot of his stats in garbage time, and against defenses that have been porous even with their starters in. I think that almost every rookie QB should be put in a Carson Palmer type scenario. Sit and watch, then play and perform.
     
  3. Steve032

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    i wouldn't mind if the Jets took a look at CB Victor "Macho" Harris out of Virginia Tech. He's a tough player and is very versatile
     
  4. Steve032

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    i wouldn't mind if the Jets took a look at CB Victor "Macho" Harris out of Virginia Tech. He's a tough player and is very versatile. He's probably going to be a mid to late first day pick
     
  5. nyj55

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    I'll chime in here, Herzlich looks like he can EASILY put on muscle. He's got a very big, solid frame but in without pads he really isn't that muscular at all. If anything, his arms and shoulders looks very average muscular wise (side note: i wish a had the picture to show you guys, he did a presentation in class on monday with a tight rainbow tie-dye T-shirt, small shorts, and crocs, pretty funny stuff for a kid thats a likely 1st round NFL pick).
    I feel that the best comparison that i can make to a current NFL player is that he is very similar to whatever the exact opposite of Vernon Gholston would be like. He's extremely fluid and has great football instincts. Always seems to be making plays and is always around the ball. Big dude but not very muscular. Not to mention is a very high character guy and is extremely smart, double major in marketing and finance (finance is one of the hardest majors here, BC has a top 12 business school).
    He'd be a great fit for the Jets, especially with barton getting older and if gholston doesnt work out. But i'm really hoping that he stays in school

    EDIT: also forgot to mention he is GREAT in coverage for an lb, something we sorely need from our linebacking corps
     
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  6. Mr Electric

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    Safety Emanuel Cook out of South Carolina has been named academically ineligable and will not play in the team's bowl game.

    This basically means that E-Cook will leave school and enter the draft.
     
  7. Prince of Thieves

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    I like the concept. Defensive value early, offensive flyers late. That's how a draft has to be done-- O-Linemen, D-Linemen, safeties, and linebackers early; then try to hit a home run with the CBs, RBs, WRs, TEs, Ks, Ps, and FBs. This follows that model pretty well.

    I really like the idea of getting Mays in the first round, but if that Cook kid hits hard, then I'll welcome him into the fold. That LB in the first seems like exactly what we need to complement Harris, who can't cover to save his own life. The football knowledge factor is also helpful.
     
  8. Theo Lambros

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    Goof stuff, Mr. Electric.

    Herzlich is perfect for the Jets. Great athlete, versatile, and really improved this year in coverage. With that being said, the word is he'll be returning to BC.

    Urban Meyer called Emmanuel Cook the best safety in the SS. He's a great player but he stopped showing up for class- since he's going pro- and has been ruled academically ineligible. He really let down his teammates and I don't think he's a "Mangini guy."

    I doubt Herman Johnson last until the 3rd round. His future is at guard in the pros- most people have Duke Robinson as their top rated guard, but mine's Johnson. He's a high-mid 2nd rounder.

    I wish you had Sammie Stroughter in your mock and not as an alternative, he's one of my favorites.

    Jasper Brinkley got a real bad grade last year from the Advisory Board(late round, IIRC). He never was that explosive and he's very one-dimensional. He's a better college player than pro.

    I like the quarterback discussion. I like your rankings. But I'm a HUGE fan of Nate Davis and I don't agree with the Pennington Comparison. I've seen comparison's to a "smaller Ben Roethlisberger" and I agree more with that. Davis has a fantastic arm, able to make all of the throws. He throws really well on the run and can make a lot of plays with his feet. He has top intangibles as well- he really rallied the team after their leading WR Dante Love went down and he has a Favre-like creativity when it comes his playing-style. He's a little short and he'll force some balls, but I think he should sneak into the 1st round.

    Bradford I see a lot of Brady in. He has that same tall, gangly frame that Brady had. He'll build himself up and it'll have a tremendous ripple effect on an already impressive skill-set. Quirky delivery, but he's the most accurate passer in college and can make all the throws. He's also an underrated athlete, he's my #1 QB by quite a bit.

    Stafford as the huge arm and the gun-slinging mentality people fall in love with. He can fit balls into windows too tight for most NFL quarterbacks. Stafford's still raw though and tremendously stubborn- he will throw down field whether it's there or not. Stafford needs to refine his mechanics and learn to take what the defense gives him.

    Freeman's even more raw. Huge kid, huge arm. Not much else in terms of mechanics, footwork, accuracy, experience, and the mental mechanics.
     
  9. Mr Electric

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    What E-Cook did at USC is very immature - he dropped down to six class hours without telling anyone. He's got everything he needs to make it in the pros, but you're right about him not being a "Mangini guy" - as of right now, no one is sure if Mangini will be around next year though. I hope he succeeds in '08 and sticks around though...

    It will be a shame if Cook gets injured in the pros. He'll have nothing to fall back on...

    I COMEPLETE DISAGREE WITH YOU ON BRINKLEY - As for Brinkley getting a low grade in 2007 - he was injured for most of last season with a knee injury. He's not one-dimensional -- he's the perfect 3-4 inside 'backer. He runs in the 4.6's at 265-270 pounds, hits like a truck, and reads offenses very well. He was never that explosive? Have you watched the guy play? He drives through ball carriers and crushes their souls. The guy's a straight up beast...

    He'd be going a lot higher if he didn't have that injury.
     
  10. Theo Lambros

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    Uh, yes. I have. I don't speak on prospects I haven't seen play.

    I tried finding the article and he's the best I could do:

    "More info on injured South Carolina linebacker Jasper Brinkley.

    DD.comment: We post, perhaps, 5,000 news stories each year in the blog, so it's hard to remember all the info we take in. But, we are quite sure we posted back in January that Brinkley got a Day 2 projection (4th or 5th round?) from the N.F.L.'s Draft Advisory Panel, partly due to questions about his foot speed, when he flirted with leaving U.S.C. early. Be that as it may, Brinkley would probably be better served staying in school for another season, rather than jumping to the N.F.L. with a bad knee."

    His mid-late round projection this year go well-beyond his knee injury. There were questions about his speed well before the knee-injury and your 4.6 projection is purely speculation.

    He's a good between-the-tackles linebacker who undoubtedly is a solid tackler for the Gamecocks. But his lack of athleticism doesn't translate well to the next level- he lacks explosion, footspeed, and is tight in the hips. Add to that the serious knee injury and he's not much of a prospect.

    JR. Eric Norwood is the linebacker with the better pro future.
     
  11. neid92

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    Round 2 (from New Orleans Saints): Junior SAFETY Emanuel Cook 5'10 210 University of South Carolina -- The safety play opposite Kerry Rhodes has been a hole in our defense all season long. Abram Elam has shown flashes at times, but he's been far too inconsistent. Cook is a guy that a lot of people are going to know about come draft time. He's the hardest hitting player in the SEC. He leads the conference with 61 solo tackles and he's the best player on one of the better defenses in college football. He can cover just about anyone in the country and he can come up in the box and stick the ball carrier in short yardage situations. E-Man tears flat out tears it up week in and week out for the Gamecocks. He's the type of player that will have an IMMEDIATE impact on an NFL defense. With one hit he can change the game...and you can't say that about most safeties.

    PROSPECT COMPARISON: Pittsburgh Steelers' SAFETY Troy Polamalu

    ALTERNATIVE PICK: Senior INSIDE LINEBACKER Clint Sintim 6'3 258 University of Virginia

    I know about Emanuel Cook. He is from Palm Beach Gardens High School and rushed for over 2000 yards his senior year and played LB as well. The only thing I don't like about his is his back ground. He has had some troubles and was declared ineligible for the bowl game. Do the JETS really want to draft this guy.

    http://ymswwc.com/2007/08/27/if-your-name-is-emanuel-cook-jr-then-your-life-sucks-ass-right-now/

    http://www.wciv.com/news/stories/1208/578370.html
     
  12. Mr Electric

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    He's a hell of a player, but his character reminds me a lot of Adam "Pacman" Jones.

    Cook just has a really big head right now, and he thinks he's a made man, which definitely isn't the way to go about things...

    I'd still draft him between the 2nd and 4th rounds.

    I really want this guy. I hope he gets his act together and proves he's not as dumb as he looks in his team interviews.
     
  13. DraftaFullBack

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    Cook is like a bigger, but less athletic Bob Sanders.
     
  14. Mr Electric

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    I'm working on my January mock -- it should be up around Monday.
     

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