Again, your insults are based on complete fabrications of the truth. As you remember it was an interactive mock draft with trades, you too would trade Thomas Jones and Laveranues Coles in a package deal for Marshawn Lynch and Lee Evans if the other person accepted the deal. I never said Lee Robinson was a #1 overall worthy talent, nor a 1st round talent, nor even a Day 1 talent. I said he is a gifted linebacker with great size and speed and performed exceptionally at his level, as well as showed well in All Star games and practices. He'll be a great depth player to start in Denver in their new 3-4 scheme as he can fill in at both ILB and OLB, and don't be surprised at all if he is groomed a la Bart Scott in Baltimore and takes over the ILB spot in a few years. He's got everything it takes to succeed there. If Okung came out for the 2009 draft he would have been a 1st round selection as an OT. How would an extra year of strength, conditioning, and experience move him inside to OG? He's got very good size and feet and can play LT and RT. My favorite OT is Trent Williams because he has great size and the best feet of any OT in college football. He would have been playing LT at Oklahoma but Loadholt had been there for a while and they didn't want to change things up, instead their plan was to move Trent over to LT if he stayed for his senior season which he did. Ironically, Loadholt's best spot would have been at RT, which would have allowed Williams to play LT earlier. Williams is a mauler and a great pass protector, ranking as the best OU OL by the coaching staff over Loadholt, Robinson, and Cooper. Stoops said that if they were in a pinch that they could move Williams to DT because his feet are that good. With a year at LT in such a high powered offense, Williams could escalate himself to the #1 OT prospect and could potentially be the #1 overall pick. McCoy is your top rated, Suh is mine. McCoy has Granger next to him, who is also a Day 1 DT prospect for 2010, while Suh had no one. IMO, Suh is the bigger, more explosive DT out of the 2, but both are fine NFL prospects. Rolando McClain could be the best LB in college football. I love Travis Lewis and Brandon Spikes as pure LBs, and I like Sean Weatherspoon as well, but McClain is a huge LB with great speed - could be a stud inside a 3-4. If he comes out he'll certainly be a 1st round pick, otherwise he wouldn't come out early.
I wasn't insulting you...I was just reminding you of how retarded that "interactive" mock really was. I would never participate in something that moronic, so no...I wouldn't trade Jones and Coles for Lynch and Evans...because that is retarded. I hate it when guys knock players because other good players line up around them. Zach Potter was a big reason for Suh success last season...let's see how he can do with 2 new starters on the Huskers defensive line. Demarcus Granger is a very good defensive tackle, but he's a rotational player for the Sooners, because he has durability issues. Gerald McCoy is the only defensive tackle that has a hold on his starting position. 3 to 4 other players will rotate in and out of the spot opposite him in 2009. Duke Robinson was also considered to be a top 15 pick at this time last year. Okung reminds me a lot of Robinson. Thanks for telling me who Trent Williams was... Like I said, I like Rolando McClain - I wanted to give the list some variety. It was loaded with linebackers. If he stays healthy in 2009, there's no way he won't end up on my final board.
...and it's fine that you disagree, TakeMeHomeKerryRhodes. Yes, no Navorro Bowman. He's a talented 'backer, but his attitude is horrible and he's been in trouble. Paul Posluszny and Dan Connor were sure-fire first rounders, right? They were high character guys too. For some reason, NFL GMs and coaches have been staying away from Penn State defenders (besides Maybin) in recent drafts. LaVar Arrington/Courtney Brown effect? I'm on the Tim Tebow band-wagon, and I've been on it since 2006. I've never, ever seen a player do what he can. He makes that team win. I'm with Bill Parcells on this one: Tebow won't be a top five pick, but he'll be a top ten pick. Jon Gruden, who is considered to be a great offensive mind, believes a NFL team will select Tebow and build a special offense around him. I know his throwing motion is long and awkward, but that can be coached. The leadership, the arm strength, the accuracy, and the athleticism are all there. I already talked about not having Jevan Snead on the list:
nice work Mr. E. In the future on front seven guys can you note what they would play in the 34? For example, I understand Suh plays DT at Nebraska but would he be a DE or NT in the 34. If you just listed their size we could figure it out for the most part. Thanks!
I definitely plan on adding height and weight, plus week-by-week stats as the college football season goes along. I also plan on giving a brief analysis on each player in my top 25. Right now, this is just a very early predicition - but around August, I should should have a bigger and better board.
As much as I can completely disagree with you on Tebow, I feel like that's a difference of opinion. However, when it comes to Navorro Bowman, he's simply a different brand of linebacker than Connor and Poz. Those guys are thumpers in the middle, slow white guys who play the inside and who weren't too athletic; well suited for the college game, though Poz has been phenomenal in the NFL. Bowman, on the other hand, is a Lavar Arrington clone, a guy who lines up outside and rushes the passer and gets in the backfield. The character questions are pretty overstated: he was charged for being in a fight but the charges were dropped when it was found out that he wasn't actually there, and he's been caught smoking marijuana a couple times. I would bet 50% of the NFL does just that. I'll be VERY interested to see how Tebow works out at the combine. Frankly, I don't think he's fast enough to run in the NFL, and coordinators wouldn't let him. He's not a pure pocket passer, and he's nowhere near the athlete Mike Vick is/was. He's big and strong, but so is Jamarcus Russell. I don't see him making it in the NFL as a pro-bowl caliber QB, and that's what you're looking for in the first round.
I'm with you on Tebow. I do not like him as a pro passer. He could be a guy who runs a wild cat type formation, but I can see him, with his sloppy footwork and awkward release becomming a good pocket passer in the NFL.
Philip Rivers has one of the weirdest throwing motions ever and he's a successful NFL QB. God forbid Tim Tebow improve his footwork and release with NFL coaching. He's got the competitive attitude and smarts to be a top notch signal caller - it may take him a season or two to learn how to play at the next level, but he's the one player I'd bet on to prove everyone wrong. The spread offense has arrived in the NFL. Tim Tebow ran a 4.69 as a high school recruit. I'm willing to bet he's improved that time since he's been at Florida. Coordinators...wouldn't...let...him? Even in the NFL, Tebow would be a running threat inside the redzone. I'm not saying he's going to rush for 1000 yards, but he'd definitely give his team another option at the goal line.
me too. its not professional football at that point - its bullshit amateur trick plays at that point. I wish the NFL won't do it.
I know it also makes talentless players look phenomenal its really disgusting. Perhaps Goodell can ban the plays seeing is how they have all of these safety rules like no more wedge
+a million I don't mind a spread passing offense, like the Pats really ran for the past few years, because they're you've got the DLine-OLine battle that determines the game. But once you get a QB on the run every other play, you're talking gadget plays that take away from the spirit of the game.
Don't get me wrong, I hate the spread...it's a big reason why I'm not big on guys like Colt McCoy and Michael Crabtree. ...but it's here and you can thank Bill Belichick and the 19-1* Patriots for the change. I also believe the feature back is a dying position in the NFL. RBBC is the way of the future. This is an evolving game and hopefully it won't take a turn for the worse.
well I guess it all about the W. I'm not sure about the feature back firemanedjr, I gotta disagree, the spread passing is what really concerns me. I dont think the QB rushing in college will translate to the NFL, at least in the short term. But these crappy shot gun passing teams drive me nuts because they make the most average joe look spectacular
Tebow's performance in the championship game really showed me something I agree with Electric that even though I'm not the biggest fan of his, he definitely has the work ethic and desire to succeed to the next level.
in college those are good examples, but Im talking about the guys who applaud Matt Cassell and Tyler Thigpen for being these great passers when they are products of the system
