No, I'm saying their argument is an appeal to emotion and extreme. Sports and hunting are industries. They are businesses. And as such they have costs of doing business. There is no reason why gun manufacturers should be exempt from assuming oversight of their product that could increase the costs just the same as other product manufacturers.
The manufacturer is the primary distributor. You want to add in second tier distributors as well then I'm all for that too. My point is private business should assume the responsibility, and therefore be open to legal recourse if negligent, if gun sales and transfers are not properly maintained. You'll see the market find solutions to the problem real quick when it starts hurting bottom lines.
I don't think you are right about the manufacturer being the primary distributor. I believe you are wrong there. You don't purchase your gun directly from smith and wesson you purchase it from gun stores/distributors kinda like cars, you don't buy direct from General Motors
There are different types of sales, but they are the first distributor to the wholesalers. Sure, they don't sell to the end consumer.
but the end consumer is the one that is committing crimes with their product. What you are advocating is punishing the manufacturers for criminal usage of their product at least 2, sometimes 3 or 4 sales down the distribution pipeline? to me, not only does that sound extremely unfair but also nearly impossible for them police/do anything about anyway
They make a product which is intended to be dangerous and harmful. The only safety to the public in the sale of their product is in the regulation of who is permitted to purchase it and continued tracking of ownership. There is no reason why they aren't the party responsible for that safety. It's unfair to the public that they are exempt from the responsibility of ensuring public safety of their product when every other industry is responsible for it. Is it easy? No. But that's a business choice that they will have to make the same way clothing manufacturers decide whether they are able to audit the safety of factories to be permitted to sell to certain retailers or food manufacturers can ensure that their product is manufactured in a clean environment. This is basic cost of doing business that all other industries are responsive for in matters which dictate the product safety in their industries but the gun industry is exempt from. Sure it will raise the cost of their product but that is a result of the type of product they choose to make having different regulations than other industries.
Again JetBlue- why do you keep saying that are exempt from ensuring public safety of their product when others aren't? They ARE. I'm not a gun manufacturer but theres certainly safety regulations they already adhere to in manufacturing. I'm sure OSHA comes to their facility to make sure its clean and safe. Probably more so than other industries because of the content of their production Theres safety regulations. They can't make fully automatic weapons, they have to ensure the safety feature works, they have to ensure the barrels are regulation so the damn thing don't blow up in people hands, etc. You are talking about usage down the line. When courts rule they can't be held responsible its about this- about what people have done way down the line from the manufacturer. How in the hell should they be held responsible for what people do with their product, so long as their product performs properly? This is just an absurd idea to me and I'm open to new ideas in gun control. consider the lifecycle of a gun... ~~Smith & Wesson sells their gun to JetBlue Distribution LLC, a major East Coast arms dealer it sits in their warehouse for 6 months... ~~ JetBlue sells it to one of their clients "Al's Gun Shop." a rural gun store, he can't unload it for a year.. ~~ Seeing the gun collect dust, and knowing his wife is on the board, Al donates the gun to the Local Lyon's Club for a gun raffle... ~~ A white supremacist wins the gun raffle and keeps it in his safe for 10 years, taking it out to occasionally show his friends ~~ Eventually the white supremacist's mentally ill son grows up, he takes out his father's gun & mows down a black neighborhood. You seriously want to hold Smith & Wesson accountable for that? Even if its the rare example where they sold it to a distributor and and the distributor sells it immediately to a psycho who mows down a neighborhood, why the hell should the manufacturer be held accountable for that? Lets not fix the distribution laws or hold the distributor's ass to the fire, lets not ask our government and the police to actually do their jobs to ensure guns don't get in the wrong hands, lets not fix the mental health system, lets not even hold parents responsible for raising psycho children, let's go after the people manufacturing the tool? I'm sorry, I usually follow your train of thoughts and I respect your opinions but damn this seems outrageous to me
We should be like England and ban guns. Their gun crime has only gone up 89% in the last 10 years!!! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold. The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent. In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold. In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled. The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place. Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets. The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html#ixzz3hKcoayZf Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
God dayum! http://abc13.com/news/police-pastor-shoots-intruder-at-baytown-church/888280/ NEWS Police: Pastor shoots intruder at Baytown church A Baytown pastor shot an intruder Tuesday morning and then prayed with him By Tracy Clemons Tuesday, July 28, 2015 05:25PM BAYTOWN, TX (KTRK) -- A would-be burglar messed with the wrong church and pastor Tuesday. Baytown police say the man kicked in the door of the Church of New Beginnings early and attempted to rob it. "We have church break-ins here in the city of Baytown," said Pat Holmes. "But ours had never been broken into. Unfortunately today was the day." Around 6:15, police say a man broke into the Church of New Beginnings on North Alexander. Surveillance video shows the man breaking through the door. Little did he know that Pastor Benny Holmes was sleeping inside, and that he was strapped. PHOTOS: Police respond to shooting at Baytown church Baytown police responded to a shooting at the Church of New Beginnings. Police say the pastor armed himself and shot an intruder. " Baytown police responded to a shooting at the Church of New Beginnings. Police say the pastor armed himself and shot an intruder. KTRK Photo "I just want the public to know that this was a robbery," Pastor Holmes told Eyewitness News exclusively. "He broke in the door, had laptops in his hand." Pastor Holmes said he woke up when he heard someone moving around in the church and grabbed his gun. "I commanded him to stop twice, and he didn't. So fearing for my life, I did what I had to do." And that was shoot. Baytown Police say Holmes shot the man in the right shoulder. They identified him as 27-year old Lee Marvin Blue Jr. This is the second time Pastor Holmes has made headlines for stopping a would-be crook. In September, he caught a 52-year-old woman who had allegedly been stealing UPS packages off of porches in the area. She was trying to steal from his front porch, and he held her at gunpoint until police arrived to arrest her. What could be considered the most surprising part of what happened this time around may be what happened while Blue was lying on the ground in his own blood. "I led him through the sinner's prayer while he was on the floor," Pastor Holmes says. "He repeated the sinner's prayer after me. And that was about it. I'm going to go visit him." Blue has an extensive criminal history dating back to 2005. It includes trespassing, burglary of a vehicle, and assault, just to name a few. He was taken by Life Flight to Memorial Hermann Hospital with non-life threatening injuries. He is charged with burglary of a building. Baytown police do not anticipate charges against Pastor Benny Holmes. Related Topics: newsshootingpolicechurchu.s. & worldBaytown (Copyright ©2015 KTRK-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)
The movie shooter got life in prison with no chance of parole. 9 jurors for death penalty, 2 were on the fence, but 1 was firmly against it (said mental illness was a factor here).
Mental illness is an excuse for these shootings. He made the decision to do this so for that, he deserves to die.
How mental illness is handled in these cases just doesn't make sense to me. why would it be cruel and unusual to sentence someone who is mentally ill to die? If someone is so mentally ill as to not comprehend their actions, why would they comprehend their punishment and make the sentence cruel and unusual? Why is it less cruel to keep them locked up if they cannot comprehend why? If we are to advocate the death penalty it would seem the mentally ill are the ideal criminals to implement it on -- there is no chance of rehabilitation and no remorse for them so why keep them alive? That would seem to be cruel and unusual.
Using the same logic, a guy with a bum leg who can't cross the street fast enough should be run down.
