Most Realistic Draft I've seen so far

Discussion in 'Draft' started by gustoonarmy, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. BLITZKRIEG

    BLITZKRIEG New Member

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    Matt Ryan isn't a very good QB prospect?? Sorry, but I happen to completely disagree with that opinion. Ryan clearly has all the tools, intelligence, and physical skills needed to succeed at this level. It may take a year of grooming before he's ready for a full-time starting position, but once he's given that opportunity, I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't lose it / or disappoint....

    Let's face it, {drafting at #1 overall}, this will be Miami's best opportunity to select a franchise type QB heading into a new era / future. It's got to be Ryan....
     
  2. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Most QB prospects have tools and intelligence...its why they're QB prospects. Ryan still makes some terrible decisions at times, and his arm strength isn't great.

    Personally I think Brohm's a better prospect than Ryan...he's become one of the more underrated prospects IMO.
     
  3. Mr Electric

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    He's so underrated...that he's projected to go in the Top 10 of every draft.

    Brohm is basically a big version of Colt Brennan, except he played against somewhat tougher competition. I think he's a system QB, and he never had to make any "real" throws at Louisville.

    ...and he's frail. He gets hurt almost every game.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Louisville runs a pro style offense...

    I knock Brohm for his health...but as far as physical skills, size, intelligence, and polish...he's the most complete and pro ready QB in this draft.

    I think he's a similar QB to a full healthy Pennington, and most people seem to have forgotten than Chad was a damn good QB before the shoulder injuries.

    You're right about him being in mocks...but I meant more as far as internet message board fans and who they talk about.
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    They don't run a pro-style offense. It's kind of similar to one, but Kragthorpe basically stayed with what Petrino was doing at Louisville before he jumped ship. It's a lot of under center stuff, but the Cards run more of a spread, with a lot of quick screens and passes to the running backs. It's easy for a QB to have big numbers in the kind of offense Kragthorpe runs.

    Brohm's stats are good, but his a lot of his touchdowns were earned by what his talented wideouts did after the catch.

    I see the healthy Pennington comparison. In my opinion, Brohm should be drafted around the same area Pennington was: mid to late first.
     
  6. JetsLookingforDWare

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    True enough, but when he did have to make those throws...he makes them nice. I don't really use statistics in draft prospects beyond knowing that they *did* perform well in the system. Brohm's been considered an intelligent and level headed guy for a while, which is what you want in a QB and in a player who has to learn a new offense and make the change from college to NFL. He's got the physical tools down too, and the pretty much makes him a pretty good QB prospect.

    But yea...it sounds like we agree completely on where he should go.
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    He's probably the best QB in terms of learning a new offense because he's so smart.

    Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm don't have elite arm strength, but they are accurate. Brohm probably has better mechanics, but Ryan has a lot more upside.
     
  8. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Eh...Ryan throws a meh deep ball while Brohm throws a very good one one...and Brohm has better accuracy and velocity. Brohm's arm isn't elite, but he puts excellent touch on his deep balls and hits alot of his WRs in stride.

    I'm not sure I buy Ryan having higher upside...I do think he can fill out physically and maybe gain a little arm strength out of it...he's definitely more athletic on the football field...but decision making is part of QB upside and Ryan makes alot of risky choices and has paid for it often.
     
  9. gustoonarmy

    gustoonarmy 2006-2007 TGG.com Best International Poster of the

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    With Trent Green been shown the door , Miami has to do one of two things , it shows intention to me that they will draft a QB and most probably get a vet in to mentor.
    If they do take a QB @ #1 this could have a domino effect.
    I expect from this week onwards that things will start to unravel.
    Unless I've missed something....sorry if this is vague , been travelling for a lonf=g time and just trying to catch up
     
  10. ukjetsfan

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    Parcells doesn't care what the previous regime did - look what he did when he came to the Jets. He instantly started looking to replace O'Donnell, who was the golden boy, big-name signing just the season before.

    If Parcells doesn't like Beck he won't care about him being a second-round pick.
     
  11. gustoonarmy

    gustoonarmy 2006-2007 TGG.com Best International Poster of the

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    Beck plays back-up at best next season. Jesus, look who Beck has been behind and when he did take to the field he didn't look too good , bit like Clemens. Blah blah blah crappy O line , but you can see when someone is NFL calibre and Beck isn't.
     
  12. Richiebsweet

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    The JETS need a pass-rusher who can wreak havoc PERIOD. I'm not going to lie, Sedrick Ellis has looked very impressive but a pass-rusher and more importantly a pass-rush makes the defense and the secondary look a whole lot better.
     
  13. Imagesrdecieving

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    While I agree with your idea that we need a pass rusher - there are plenty of different variables to look at. What about the fact that we have a horrendous rush defense. If we could limit opposing rushing offenses on 1st and 2nd down our pass rush becomes alot better when they are in a clear pass rush situation.

    Not to mention a pass rusher can always be had in the 2nd or 3rd round. Everyone has said consistantly that the reason our 3-4 struggles is because we lack a NT. If our FO evaluates Ellis as being capable of playing the nose then we absolutely MUST take him. It is probably the single most scarce resource in the NFL today.
     
  14. deviljets7

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    Nothing against Gholston, but the difference between him and OLBs that could be had in round 2 (Quentin Groves?) is no where near as big as the difference between Ellis and other 3-4 NTs.
     

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