Plus 1000 No one else likes your Posts because the TRUTH hurts....heheheh Remember the Rebuild??? Yes this was the Mantra endorsed by Mac and the FO over the last 3 years ...but of course most guys ,with the exception of the 6-10 Posters that support each other's posts,....forgot all about that to grab that flashy Capt Kirk toy ..of course the smart move would be to draft a very talented QB and rebuild around THAT What's scary is the Politics.. Toilet Bowles and Mac the Macdoodling will see KC as their ticket to a couple of "respectable" 8-8 or 7-9 Seasons ..which is "such an improvement".. and I am NOT even counting on that faker Cousins taking us to the Playoffs
Thanks for the creative Post..yes we are mired in mediocrity What's sad is MOST of the TGG tacitly accepts this as a fait accompli for this Clownshow..."strive for greatness?..." "swing and miss?" ...that's our Generation talking...these Millenials posting on TGG had things handed to them No likes to my Posts Orr to your Posts? must mean we are closer to the right answer plus older and wiser!!!!
Make no mistake, I want to win championships, but you can't tell me that any of these Quarterbacks coming out are championship caliber. We have no idea. I believe in Kirk Cousins. You don't. We won't agree. Simple as that. Let's hope for both of our sakes that we find the right QB this offseason, whoever it might be.
Yes, the truth hurts, and it exposes people's delusions, irrationality and flawed logic, and that embarrasses them and hurts their ego/pride.
No, there are no guarantees with any player taken in the draft, least of all a QB. I do think that Mayfield's accuracy, leadership, ability to extend plays and create, his mobility, and his fiery competitive spirit will have the Jets very competitive if Mac fixes the OL and other holes, and builds around that QB. It also could possibly happen with Rosen, Darnold, Jackson or maybe even one of the other QBs in the draft, but less likely with them. I agree with whomever said that unless Mac focuses on the offense and looks to build around that QB, be it a draft pick or Cousins, the Jets will continue to fail. I like Cousins. I wanted the Jets to draft him the year he entered the draft. I think he's a very good QB, better than any QB we've had in a long time, just not an elite or great one. Aside from 2009 when the Jets traded up for Sanchez and 2014, when Idzik could have taken Carr or Bridgewater, how long has it been since the Jets have even had an opportunity to take a potential FQB in the 1st round? We've all been clamoring for years for the Jets to draft and develop their FQB and get off the FA QB merry-go-round. Now, when they finally have an opportunity to get that potential FQB in the 1st round, continue the rebuild they began this year without trying to take a short cut or speed it along, and have stability at the QB position for the next 10-15 years, a bunch of you want to trade that opportunity in for the "safe" route (which may not be safe at all), for a QB who will be 30 when the season begins (the age when players become more injury prone and their skills can deteriorate overnight), who at most will reasonably be expected to give us around 5 years of quality play, and pay him as if he is elite and one of the top 2-3 QBs in the NFL? How can you not see how irrational or what flawed logic that is? That just makes no sense to me whatsoever. If this wasn't a good draft for QBs or if the Jets were picking in the teens or twenties, I'd be all in on signing Cousins if they couldn't sign Bridgewater. It would certainly beat re-signing McCown or another Jag, then next year having to sign another JAG FA QB. The thing is, it IS a good draft for QBs, and the Jets are drafting at #6, and they have a very good chance of getting a very good QB prospect in the draft. That's why I don't want Cousins here.
To each his/her own on if this is a good draft for Quarterbacks. If we were picking 1 or 2 and were assured Darnold or Rosen, okay, then I'd have to think long and hard about Darnold/Rosen vs. Cousins, no thanks on Bridgewater who hasn't played in 2 years and never impressed me when he did play. However, I don't believe in Baker Mayfield in the NFL. I would rather not bank on a bigger unknown than most in Josh Allen. I have zero interest in Lamar Jackson. Yes, there are some interesting Round 2-3 QB's in Falk, Rudolph and Lauletta, but if you're adding a QB there, I want a veteran and I'm not banking on 39 year old Josh McCown having back-to-back "career years" or even lasting another 12.5 games, given his track record. Therefore, I want Cousins. Now if you're telling me the Jets are trading up or want to trade up, OK. I'd definitely have to way more pro's and con's there, because Darnold and Rosen, while still not ready to play Day 1 and while still having their faults, are the only two Quarterbacks projected to go in the 1st round that I personally believe in. We'll see how Maccagnan and Bowles think in the next few months.
That's just the way the NFL works. Quarterbacks who aren't elite routinely get big bucks, because it's better to have "only" a good QB than to be in the QB hell that the Jets have been in since Pennington's right shoulder fell apart. That's how the market is set. I can't change that. I also know that the money being spent is not my money and the Jets have a heck of a lot of money in the next couple of years. Front-load the deal and it won't be an issue when it's time to re-up guys like Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye and Jamal Adams. There aren't many other young pieces I can think of here that we "need" to re-sign in the next 3-4 years.
I understand your not being wild about Bridgewater. My thinking with him is that he was starting to reach his potential when he got injured. He's young and probably a lot cheaper than Cousins. With Bridgewater, the Jets could draft another QB at #6 and totally justify it. If Bridgewater struggled and the rookie was ready, they could go with the rookie. If Bridgewater stayed healthy and played at a high level, then the rookie would be cheap insurance and a backup for several seasons, and if he really developed, then the Jets could look to trade either the rookie or Bridgewater. With as expensive as Cousins will be, if the Jets sign him, he will be the starter and a rookie QB would be guaranteed of sitting for the length of Cousins' contract unless Cousins got seriously injured or his play deteriorated overnight. We may have discussed this before, but why don't you believe in Mayfield? I think he's the best QB prospect in the class.
Just because that's what some teams do, why should we do it? We aren't lemmings. If someone told you that you'd get rich if you cut your right hand off, would you do it? Of course not. It's not my money, either, and that's not what I care about. For all I care, Woody can spend all his money, go broke and have to sell the team. It's how the money would affect the Jets' cap situation, and how it will hurt them for the length of the contract. Paying Cousins that much is also going to make some of the other Jets want a lot more. ASJ has already turned down a Jets' offer or two. If the Jets hand Cousins $30 million per season, ASJ could want $10 million per season, and then the Jets would be looking for a TE again. Jenkins will need a new contract in a couple of years. If Lee continues to develop and improve, so will he. If the Jets have a good draft and get an excellent RB and/or CB, OL or whatever, then they're going to want to get paid in 4 years.
The only way I'd be OK with Bridgewater is if we did indeed take a QB at 6, or earlier, AND brought back McCown or signed another veteran to go alongside him, just in case his leg gives out, because you never know after the severity of his 2016 injuries. As for Baker, I can't pinpoint one thing that makes me not care for him. The obvious things that everyone else who doesn't like him are the same for me: the offense he ran at Oklahoma, his lack of practice working underneath a center, his height and his persona. Now I will say this, I think his persona is definitely not as big as a factor as others believe. I think he's a good person that just takes it too far sometimes and that very well could change with age. I just don't believe he's worthy of a 1st round pick, definitely not a Top 10 pick, but because of QB needs in the NFL, he will surely go there. I'm not a fan of outliers. I like the protypical looking QB. I know that plenty of them fail, too, but that's just how my personal outlook is on this QB class and QB's in general.
I'm OK with ASJ walking. I think he will anyway. 2 years and $8 million is more than enough for his lack of production. He is the best TE we've had since a healthy Keller, maybe before, but he isn't anything special and I'd be willing to let him test the waters or even leave if he can find a better deal elsewhere. Jenkins is OK. He's a nice player who sets the edge. Certainly won't break the bank for him and he won't warrant anything near a deal that would. Ditto with Lee, and he's even less proven than Jenkins. The key will be hitting on the draft picks outside of the 1st round for a change, minus Maye of course, and making intelligent decisions with the $100 million in cap space this offseason. To me, giving Cousins $30-40 of that (I say $40 because it could be front-loaded in such a way), is not a dumb decision in my eyes. That's all.
I loved reading @NCJetsfan and @MurrellMartin discuss their points. Thanks guys. Now. I want Cousins. If we can’t get him and if Teddy is available for cheap I would go for him. But also I would trade up To pick one of the Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield.
