A 12th man running off the field really has no impact on the play, but you knew that. 12 men lining up should be flagged. They are instructed to follow the letter of the Law in regards to this, but not when a timeout is involved it seems.
I put this entire loss on Marty. This is my last post on the subject and I'm done with it; moving on. He called a great game up until the pick. We had Green Bay reeling on their heels, the onside kick is all the proof. The smarter move was to control the clock and take the healthy lead into halftime. With our defense and a lead, you have better run the football. Ivory had just popped one to the outside for 10yds, we were on the 20 or near the 20, we could have ran the clock out maybe scored a td, definitely kicked an easy field goal, and definitely been up by 2 scores at the half, and receiving the football to start the second half; where I would have continued Ground n pound and where was the screen pass? I am not putting this loss on the secondary like many here have. I think we were abused by holding calls that garnered a lot of extra time in the pocket for A Rodgers (it's the NFL receivers are going to get open in this league, with that kind of time). I will say that we hit Rodgers a lot and I think his week was probably been filled with pain killers. The fact that not one hold was called on the Green Bay line is a joke. Marty fucked up, moving on to Chicago.
Yeah that's exactly how I feel. I think Marty's mistake could lead to bigger, more positive things for the Jets. It's all about TRUST at the end of the day. Less Wildcat? More no huddle? Let's hope this happens. I still have plenty of faith in Marty. Marty / Rex is tied to Geno and they need to start acting like it.
I love the how these guys are handling this. Taking responsibility and not pointing fingers. Standing up for each other. Marty screwed up. Sheldon screwed up. But they have handled this with a lot of character. Glad to see a big change in the atmosphere of the lockerroom.
Dude. It's a rule. You can't have 12 men on the field when the ball is snapped. If a ref takes a second to call that, it's still 12 men on the field. You are comparing this to a timeout being called BEFORE the snap and the ref taking half a second to blow the whistle. Stokes is right, your comparison is idiotic.
I don't really care about the 12th man thing. I feel like Rodgers rushed the entire play in order to draw the flag. Granted he didn't have to throw the ball, but the entire offensive play was broken on the strength of Rodgers rushing the snap. Under normal circumstances that play never unfolds the way it did. Just the way I observed it.
He threw the pick because he was rushing the play, because we had players running off the field. If we don't have 12 men, chances are he doesn't throw the pick.
Perfectly stated. Good post. I think this fan base is making too much of this one play anyway. It sucked, and it shouldn't have happened but that one play didn't cost us the game. In fact, it could have ultimately worked out to our advantage if we executed going forward. We converted the 4th down on the next play. From that point, the play is behind you and you move forward. We were supposed to be able to gash them on the ground all day, weren't we?? We had a first down, deep in their territory (operating in 4-down mode) and could have milked the clock and still scored the tying TD with much less time remaining. People act as if there was no way Rodgers was going to answer back if we had scored on that pass ... with an eternity remaining on the clock, our best player in the locker room, and our secondary being shredded the entire second half. I'd say the chances were VERY good that he would have gotten them into FG range at some point, and with only one timeout remaining, we would have been dead anyway. If you want to point to one play, the INT at the end of the first half did much more damage than that timeout IMO. That may have been a 14 point swing. But really we lost the game because we couldn't run the football and execute our offense the entire second half. You can't score 3 second half points against the Packers in Lambeau and not expect to be passed up like you're standing still. Aside from the Saints, they've averaged more points at home under McCarthy than any team in the league. I don't know about the rest of you, but at 21-9 I still thought there was plenty of work left to be done, and we didn't do it.
I wish we could some how appeal it to the league, but you know they don't care about it. The Jets beating Green Bay would look bad. Anyone else notice how the tides suddenly turned after it become 21-6? All of a sudden the refs were throwing tons of flags on the Jets. Coaching was bad too because they choked an 18 point lead away and also called some of the worst time outs I've ever seen. The timeout on the sidelines after the snap was a terrible call and there should be a way to appeal something like that. That was an obvious touchdown because 1. Only HC can call Time out, and 2. The ball was snapped. It was a double fuck up by the refs, and I say that nicely as it was really a screw job. I wish there could have been a challenge that the ball was already snapped, but of course the biased refs killed 2 birds with one stone, taking away a valid touchdown and our last time out. It was a screw job of epic proportions. I have a feeling Green Bay will be this year's golden child as they were in 2010 when they won it and wouldn't have done it without those 2 horrible calls against the Jets. Again, it was piss poor because they challenged it only to find out that it couldn't be challenged and they took away the timeout regardless. The rules are strictly ref judgement calls, and somebody was not being objective on Sunday. The Jets not only have to overcome a really good team, but also a battle against the Zebras. Fuck them. Nobody's going to win a game when the refs call back a valid touchdown on a whim.
I don't think anything that transpired was intentional or part of some conspiracy. I think one ref lost hold of the situation and we got the short end of it. It is what it is.
It was definitely a combo of MM and the refs fault. You can't just call your final timeout. Even if he doesn't, and the play fails, the Jets can still get the ball back and try to score again. But without that timeout gone, it's as good as over. I also think Geno needs to get better at not blowing timeouts early in the quarter. You can't just call timeout when you don't like something you see. I understand you can play it safe, but he's done this in both games thus far calling multiple timeouts early in each half. This has to stop.
As much as I'd love to believe it, each and every week I see evidence to the contrary. But I'm not supposed to say things like that. It's too taboo for the darksiders. If I say that it means I believe it blindly 100% that every call against the Jets is intentional. But believing in Chemtrails is legit. LOL.
In basketball at least, If a team calls an illegal timeout, they are penalized. I can't see how it's the refs responsibility to recognize the head coach's voice. Since Richardson called a timeout that was against the rules, IMO, it should have been penalty on the Jets and replay the down.
The rule leaves no room for any gray area at all. It's pretty cut and dry. Only the head coach can call a time out. So far I haven't heard a single decent reason why it was upheld. I am willing to change my stance on it if the logic behind it made sense.
