More Hackenberg...

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    22 years of age with a lot to build on. I did want the Jets to work on his mechanics the moment he was drafted, get him some actual reps, but maybe Hack taking that year off to remember what made him good and not what happened late at Penn State was best for him after all. I hope we see a more confidence and polished Hack when TC comes. I really do think he has an excellent shot at winning the job, the thing is for me, when pressure comes I need to see how Hack does in practice.

    Hack has just as much potential as Rosen and Allen from Wyoming, these are the guys people want next year in the draft. More durable IMO then Rosen from UCLA and Allen from Wyoming is not a refined passer, he also misses on a lot of easy throws. If this kid can only pan out, Jets can really focus on other positions and to me, that could lead the Jets to greener pastures in 2 to 3 seasons.
     
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    Yes, I know it's very late for me to notice it now, but ... LMAO @ your Samuel L. Jackson/Lattimore avatar ... you have inspired me on this late Friday evening to make one for myself!
     
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    I hope Hack turns into Joe Montana Jr., or Brett Farve the 2nd.
    His improvement should be easy.
    Atleast this season he will atleast throw a football rather than hold a stupid clipboard. Even with the injury, Petty is ahead of Hack. It would be wise to hold off on the Hack praise until he actually shows something other than the transition from inactive to active player.
    To have a strong armed QB throwing darts in the NFL is an awesome weapon, but saying he has all the brain aspects down pat is stupid.
    He didn't even practice with 1st string NFL players last season. To say he can read defenses, and lead the team is stupid optimism and shows the "Fan boy-ism " of the overly hopeful Hack fans that know very little about football in general.
    He has a very long way to go. Him jumping up the chart is practically out of the question.
    McCown more than likely starts.
    Petty is our 2 despite the set back, and Hack takes a few more baby steps.
    Again, this isn't my preference, but I bet Bowles and Mac have this scenario in mind.
     
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    Lol, at your avatar. I need to change the caption on my avatar ... maybe it'll be related to McCown
     
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    Since being drafted all the experts have raved over his size, arm strength/arm ability along with his brain in regards to football I.Q ala ability to read defenses at the L.O.S, make pre-snap adjustments etc etc his main knock has been his accuracy due to his completion percentage while at Penn State.

    Only time will tell but throughout the history of the game there have been a lot of QB's who've struggled with completion percentage in college followed by having great accuracy/completion percentage come the pro's.

    I personally can't wait to see this kid take the field because i love him as a prospect.
     
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    What qbs struggled with comp% in college and went in to have great comp% in pros? Serious question
     
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    Joe Montana is one. His best comp % in college was 54% and he finished his NFL career at 63%.
     
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    Warren Moon
     
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    Carson Palmer for a more modern example. And hack is working with his brother
     
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    I believe Hack's first year under O'Brien was comparable to Palmer's, fwiw(which isn't much:)), around 59%.
     
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    There are some, but of all the stats, completion percentage is pretty much the hardest to turn around.
     
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    That was a different era...but Joe also threw as many picks as TD's in college. 54% as a senior in college nearly 40 years ago may be considered pretty good...honestly I have no idea.

    He also didn't have much in terms of weapons. Pete Holohan I think was with him for his senior year but other than that he wasn't exactly throwing to NFL caliber weapons.
     
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    Where did Mark Sanchez's 65.8 completion % in college get him?
     
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    Matt Ryan senior year in BC. 59.3 % completion percentage and 19 picks. In the NFL he's a career 64.9 and has never had 19 interceptions in a season
     
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    It took Russel Wilson, 3 collegiate seasons to crack the 60% mark. Had to play for another school to achieve it.
     
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    There are also a number of NFL quarterbacks that started their careers in the 50% completion range that improved after their first 3 seasons and some that had good careers that never really improved their percentage but won games.

    John Elway is an example of the latter. Elway didn't even crack 50% his rookie year. His completion percentage was 47.5%. Took the guy 10 years to have an above par season, but the team was a winning team throughout his career. He was a 56% career passer. Though there are more .. you only need one example to demonstrate it can be done.

    IMO, we don't know what we have until Hackenberg plays in real games. Stats as much as I love them, don't paint the entire picture, as there are too many factors involved in the generation of those stats. I personally try to look at the intangibles. We can debate and argue all we want but once a players college career is over, it's over. IMO, it all goes out the window and starts anew in the NFL. We have seen can't miss prospects wither and die year one and seen projected backups rise to the occasion. We have already had two top QB prospects in Sanchez and Smith prove that nothing is a given.

    Personally, I have always liked the underdogs, as they have more drive behind them. They work harder and are out to prove the nay-sayers wrong. I like that he went through adversity as playing in New York is not easy. Especially on a team that is QB starved and waiting for a messiah. Those are big shoes to fill and the pressure alone can break some players. I think his career at Penn State may have helped him as much as it did hurt him. It showed me a kid that can take a beating and keep coming back, always looking to improve. Someone that doesn't take the easy way out and has drive. So far in this early offseason, I'm pleased to see that his work ethic shows a player wanting to improve. Some of the most successful quarterbacks ever had similar stories.

    QB's make a big jump Year 1 to Year 2 .. I think how far he comes remains to be seen and the Jets are being smart to keep it as down low as they can make it for the kid.
     
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    Eh, neither were sure things. Smith in particular...most people saw he was an idiot and just incapable of being a decent QB. And they were right about it. Sanchez I feel could've been at least an average QB with the right tutelage. Geno had no chance and was an atrocious pick.
     
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    Yeah I agree on Sanchez. Smith though, wow, him firing his agent draft day was a bad sign. I liked the value when we picked up Geno, too bad when he finally could have proved he turned the corner, he got his jaw broke. Shows the kind of leadership that was being put together on this team. Leadership so bad we are still trying to cleanse the locker room of it.
     
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  20. Jeti

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    Hack's gonna need more than a few games as well. 2 or 3 games wont tell us much at all honestly. 10,11,12 tell a completely different story. You wanna see him face Miami, Buffalo and New England twice to see how he adjusts to the same team. You wanna see him go into a hostile environment like Pittsburgh for example. You wanna see him in a big home game late in the season and him setting the tone with a td drive to start the game for us.

    But most important even in the show term you wanna see good decision making, taking care of the ball, good accuracy and poise.
     
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