More Hackenberg...

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  1. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Well if he didn't show any improvement from preseason week 4 to now, which is close a full calendar year then yeah I would assume they have a problem.
     
  2. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    20 years ago crazy yeah but in today's sports atmosphere no. "analytics" suggests tanking is the smart move for below average organizations to undertake. I thought it was noteworthy that all of Maccagnan's trades in the second half of the draft were seen as losses according to traditional models but win/wins according to all the new analytics models. The writing is on the wall here. He isn't concerned with success in 2017.

    "rebuilding" is nothing new anyway. This is just trying to rebuild properly
     
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  3. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    You need to take a course in logic. Your reasoning powers are an epic fail. When a team undergoes a rebuild, it commits to youth. It gets rid of older, more expensive vets, and earnestly seeks to develop its younger players and determine who can help them going forward. That's how rebuilding works. They wouldn't be rebuilding if they kept all their older vets to help Hack. That would be trying to continue with the "competitive rebuild" which wasn't working.

    McCown isn't going to be on the team next year. There would be zero point in starting him. Any chemistry that he builds with the offense wouldn't help the team going forward. Nothing would be gained by it save possibly winning another couple of games this season, and there's no difference between 3-13 and 5 and 11. Both records suck.

    The Jets should know that with a young team and no certain QB, they aren't making the playoffs. Their primary purpose for the CS and GM this season is to find out if Petty and/or Hack are gonna help them going forward and if either is capable of being a quality starter. If one or both prove that they can be a quality starter, great. That huge need is filled, and no one will care about the W-L record or draft position. If neither proves that they can be a quality starter, then the Jets will know that they need to start over at QB and get one in next year's draft. Their other purpose for this year is to develop their young players, get them experience and determine who can help them going forward.

    Woody's purpose for this season is determining if Bowles is the right man to be the HC of the Jets and if Mac is doing a good job as GM. Has he learned anything from the past two seasons or is he still making the same mistakes? Is the team more disciplined and ready to play each week? Can Bowles manage the game and the clock? Are the young players developing?

    With regards to Mac, Woody has to determine if the team has talent and if it is in better shape than a year or two ago. If the young players aren't performing, is it because of their talent level or coaching? Did Mac and his scouts not do a good job in acquiring players, or is Bowles and his CS not doing a good job in preparing and developing those players?

    Mac may or may not be betting his job on Hackenberg. That's up to Woody. But you can bet your bottom dollar that Mac believes in Hack and is going to give him every opportunity to succeed. If not, he would have drafted a QB this year. He's giving Hack and Petty this year. If neither prove they can do the job, then if Mac is still the GM of the team for the 2018 draft, he will move on and take another QB high in the draft.
     
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  4. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, but I watched him single handedly blow the Texas A&M game by his own bad decision making. It also leads to another indictment of Mac passing on Brett Hundley for Petty. Hundley was UCLA when he was there. He can play and wasn't a product of a system like Petty. Whether he turns out to be a good NFL QB doesn't matter so much as he was the better choice between he and Petty and Mac took Petty.
     
  5. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    The fix is in guys and Woody the owner has given his blessings for our 2017 deep six tank...

    No better foursome in football- Bowles, Petty, Hack, and McGown to make it happen

    jmho
     
  6. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    I'll add Brissett > Hackenberg
     
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  7. 101GangGreen101

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    1 game doesn't make or break someone, but he definitely needs to improve on the mental aspect of the game. Personally, I didn't like Petty or Hundley. Same with Hackenberg, but I recognize he has potential to be a good QB in this league.
     
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  8. BrowningNagle

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    get outta here
     
  9. JetBlue

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    I watch every UCLA game; he is lacking. I'd be hopeful if we drafted him but not optimistic.
     
  10. NYJFOREVER

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    I think what you meant to say was that any QB + BB > Hackenberg
     
  11. legler82

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    No, I meant to say exactly what I wrote. I liked Brissett coming out and so did coincidentally Bill Parcells and apparently Belicheat. At this point I don't how there can be an argument Brisset put up better college numbers and has actually played real NFL games even winning one.
     
  12. themorey

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    Brissett didn't win the game the D did against a horrible Texans offense. I bet O'Brien didnt even change his play calls from his time in NE. The Cheatriots didnt even have to cheat to win that game.

    And Brissett looked like a steaming pile of shit against the Bills the following week.
     
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  13. legler82

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    I still like that steaming pile of shit and believed he smelled less awful than the steaming pile of shit we drafted.
     
  14. HomeoftheJets

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    The trade downs were smart because the Jimmy Johnson chart is wrong. But as far as I know, there's no statistical evidence for tanking.
     
  15. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Sort of true. The Colts successfully won the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, but the results have been mixed. We'll see how Chris Ballard running the show instead of garbage Grigson.
     
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    By statistical evidence I meant evidence that tanking works better on average than trying to stay competitive. The Colts may be the exception rather than the rule.
     
  17. Jeti

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    Broadway Joe has given Hackenberg his blessing.
     
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  18. RubenDias

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    i trust a regime that sees a dude practice every day to not take a flyer at any QB in this draft. Freshman year Hackenberg was praised like Sam Darnold many here forget that. I hope he progressed he is a smart guy just needs to fix his accuracy.
     
  19. 101GangGreen101

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    He's the only qb under the Belichick era to get shutout at home. Brissett is awful.
     
  20. JetBlue

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    Hundley was a great college QB and an obvious difference maker who elevated his team. Whether he would be a good NFL I don't know, but in the 4th round if the choice was him or Petty he was a no brainer as the choice.
     

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