Yes, but that's the way it is, in all sports. But while pro coaches don't have the total control of a college coach, they do have - or SHOULD have - considerable input on the players the GM gets, so being judged on players isn't completely off base. For example, if Bowles wants to run a 3-4 defense, he should be telling Macc to get him players that fit that scheme. Or, if Macc says no, then Bowles ought to be able to adjust his scheme to fit his personnel. Somewhere in that situation Bowles and Macc lost their way. Whose more to blame? They both are, but I hold Bowles accountable for not making the adjustments he needed to. Of course I don't know what discussions they had, so maybe Macc is all to blame, but aside from not being able to make the adjustments to fit his players strengths, Bowles made a lot of other mistakes that show he's not capable. Frankly, I would be happy to see them both go at this point, if they could find someone better. And that's the real problem: Who could they get?
Following are Parcells Groceries 1997 James Farrior Rick Terry Dedric Ward Terry Day Leon Johnson Lamont Burns Ray Austin Tim Scharf Chuck Clements Steve Rosga Jason Ferguson 1998 Dorian Boose Scott Frost Kevin Williams Jason Fabini Casey Dailey Doug Karczewski Blake Spence Eric Bateman Eric Ogbogu Chris Brazzell Dustin Johnson Lawrence Hart 1999 Randy Thomas David Loverne Jason Wiltz Jermaine Jones Marc Megna J.P. Machado Ryan Young J.J. Syvrud I've bolded the players who lasted longer than a cup of coffee with the Jets and who made any contribution at all. How many of those players actually were any good and lasted any time with the Jets? Farrior wound up being a very good player with the Steelers, but wasn't that great with the Jets. Leon Johnson was very good until injuries curtailed his career. Jason Ferguson was a very good player for the Jets. So were Randy Thomas and Jason Fabini. Ryan Young was decent for three years then moved on.
2000 Shaun Ellis John Abraham Chad Pennington Anthony Becht Laveranues Coles Windrell Hayes Tony Scott Richard Seals
What happened to 2000? You really think Al Groh was running the draft room, cause I have news for you...
Tuna's draft picks in NY. Let's see: -a future HOF pass rusher in Abraham -another pro bowl DE that ranks 2nd all time in sacks in NYJ history -a completely rebuilt offensive line that lead to a revival of the organization (long time starters at LT, RT, G) -a run stuffing nose tackle that started in the league for 13 years, -a tough pro-bowl WR made for cold weather football - a LB that made multiple pro bowls and finished runner up as defensive player of the year oh and a QB that was an above average starter here for many years. how long was he here? yeah parcells really sucked.
My bad. I couldn't remember when he resigned, so googled it, and saw that he resigned in January of 2000, but missed that that was his resignation as HC, not GM. Even so, with 4 first round draft picks he should have been able to knock it out of the park. Heck, even Tanny, Bradway, and maybe even Idzik could have had a great draft with 4 first round draft picks.
No. I got in too big a hurry because I had to leave to go teach a couple of students. I forgot when Parcells resigned, googled it quickly, saw that he resigned January 4, 2000, and thought that was when he resigned as GM, but it was when he resigned as HC.
I'm really interested to follow Dak Prescott's career considering everyone has for some reason already anointed him as the next great mid round QB. When I watched their games it seemed like half of their pass plays were designed rollouts or play action bootlegs that worked because the ground game was so established. He'll probably be good again this year. But once the salary cap forces them to lose linemen one by one... we'll see.
McSorley came into a better overall situation than Hack. The talent level on the Offensive Line returned after years of suffering due to sanctions. Skill position players also came of age as they were underclassman while playing with Hack. And probably the biggest difference - the multiple offense that they were running with Hack was trashed. Multiple offenses IMO, AND in the opinions of most experts .. are trash in college football with poor talent rosters. Penn St brought in Joe Moorhead and his Giant Flash Card Spread Offense with the RPO .. unlike Hackenberg .. McSorely barely, if at all, needed to make any serious pre snap reads and the simplicity of give the ball to Barkley or go deep based off the coaches reads paid dividends. The good pro-style spread teams are concept based, like the Air Raid, and try to do a few things really well. The bad ones try to mix in spread formations and concepts with pro-style language and approaches, call themselves "multiple," and are inefficient at most everything. IMO they only even attempted this type of offensive scheme given Hackenbergs abilities .. McSorley is no Pro Style/Multiple O QB, but is perfect for what Moorhead runs. This is my speculation but given what Franklin had with McSorely at QB, a change of Offensive scheme was imminent. It's very difficult for college teams to actually be really, really good at multiple comprehensive concepts. The amount of practice time and the versatility or roster depth necessary to be balanced between the run and pass is usually beyond most programs. The answer has essentially been the RPO game.
Below is a list of all the Superbowl winners and their defensive rank (by points allowed), their offensive rank (by points scored) for that season, and their Combined Rank Average (CRA) CRA=(Defensive Rank + Offensive Rank)/2 Year Team Defense Rank Offensive Rank CRA QB 2014 Patriots 8 4 6 Tom Brady 2013 Seahawks 1 9 5 Russell Wilson 2012 Ravens 12 10 11 Joe Flacco 2011 Giants 25 9 17 Eli Manning 2010 Packers 2 10 6 Aaron Rodgers 2009 Saints 20 1 10.5 Drew Brees 2008 Steelers 1 20 10.5 Ben Rothlisberger 2007 Giants 17 14 15.5 Eli Manning 2006 Colts 23 2 12.5 Peyton Manning 2005 Steelers 4 9 6.5 Ben Rothlisberger 2004 Patriots 2 4 3 Tom Brady 2003 Patriots 1 12 6.5 Tom Brady 2002 Buccaneers 1 18 9.5 Brad Johnson 2001 Patriots 6 6 6 Tom Brady 2000 Ravens 1 14 7.5 Tony Banks/Trent Dilfer 1999 Rams 4 1 2.5 Kurt Warner 1998 Broncos 9 2 5.5 John Elway 1997 Broncos 7 1 4 John Elway 1996 Packers 1 1 1 Brett Favre 1995 Cowboys 3 3 3 Troy Aikman 1994 49ers 6 1 3.5 Steve Young 1993 Cowboys 2 2 2 Troy Aikman 1992 Cowboys 5 2 3.5 Troy Aikman 1991 Redskins 2 1 1.5 Mark Rypien 1990 Giants 1 15 8 Phil Simms 1989 49ers 3 1 2 Joe Montana 1988 49ers 8 7 7.5 Joe Montana 1987 Redskins 6 4 5 Jay Schroeder 1986 Giants 2 8 5 Phil Simms 1985 Bears 1 2 1.5 Jim McMahon 1984 49ers 1 2 1.5 Joe Montana 1983 Raiders 13 3 8 Jim Plunkett 1982 Redskins 1 12 6.5 Joe Theismann 1981 49ers 2 7 4.5 Joe Montana 1980 Raiders 10 7 8.5 Jim Plunkett 1979 Steelers 7 1 4 Terry Bradshaw 1978 Steelers 1 5 3 Terry Bradshaw 1977 Cowboys 8 2 5 Roger Staubach 1976 Raiders 12 4 8 Ken Stabler 1975 Steelers 2 5 3.5 Terry Bradshaw 1974 Steelers 2 6 4 Joe Gilliam/Terry Bradshaw 1973 Dolphins 1 5 3 Bob Griese 1972 Dolphins 1 1 1 Earl Morrall/Bob Griese 1971 Cowboys 7 1 4 Roger Staubach/Craig Morton 1970 Colts 7 6 6.5 Johnny Unitas 1969 Chiefs 2 4 3 Len Dawson/Mike Livingston 1968 Jets 10 16 13 Joe Namath 1967 Packers 4 13 8.5 Bart Starr 1966 Packers 1 6 3.5 Bart Starr Statistics for these numbers Defensive Rank # of Times % Offensive Rank # of Times % 1 14 28.57% 1 10 20.41% 2 9 18.37% 2 7 14.29% 3 2 4.08% 3 2 4.08% 4 3 6.12% 4 5 10.20% 5 1 2.04% 5 3 6.12% 6 3 6.12% 6 4 8.16% 7 4 8.16% 7 3 6.12% 8 3 6.12% 8 1 2.04% 9 1 2.04% 9 3 6.12% 10 2 4.08% 10 2 4.08% 11+ 7 14.29% 11+ 9 18.37% Some things to think about: The number 1 ranked defense has won the Superbowl %28.57 of the time while the number 1 offense has only won the Superbowl %20.41 of the time, and only twice (1972 Dolphins and the 1996 Packers) has a Superbowl winner been ranked first in both offense and defense. The average defensive rank for a Superbowl winner is 5.63 while the average offensive rank is 6.10 and the average CRA is 5.87 Before 2006 the only team to win a Superbowl with a CRA below 10 were the 1968 Jets The Mannings have never won a Superbowl on a team with a CRA above 12.5 Eli Manning is the only QB to ever win a Superbowl with a CRA above 15 and he has done it twice! In 2008 the number 1 defense and the number 20 offense Steelers won the Superbowl. The next year the Saints won the Superbowl with the 20th ranked defense and the number 1 ranked offense.
Thanks for the research! But what I draw from this is that defense does indeed win championships...once you get there. Most of the championships were won by teams with excellent, if not the best, offense, combined with a stout defense. On a few occasions, mediocre QBs/offenses won with HOF-level defense. These are essentially the two paths to a championship. You either need a GREAT "D" to carry your mediocre QB and offense, or you need a good balance between the two. Rarely can you get there with just a great offense - the Saints with Brees is about the only example. The bottom line is you need an above average offense to get there and win. The Jets under Rex only had - at best - a mediocre offense, and an above average defense, not good enough.
Even adding in the 2000 draft, Parcells' record as the grocery shopper is dismal. It took him a draft with four first round picks to have a really good draft, and even it is marred. It's not his fault Pennington couldn't stay healthy, but aside from Chad, Shaun Ellis and Coles wound up being arguably his best picks out of four drafts. Abraham was soft mentally and wouldn't/couldn't stay on the field and was traded. Becht had stone hands, but was a good blocker at least. It's also somewhat interesting that none of the players who had longer careers played their entire careers with the Jets.
Run-pass option and it's typically done out of shoutgun. It's similar to a play action, but the QB in this case has a chance to hand it off to the running back or pull the ball pick/ hit a WR on a slat or another route. The OL typically run blocks. The Packers, Seahawks, Titans, etc are one of many franchises that use RPOS.
Hey NCJ. Sorry I took so long to respond. It's the Run Pass Option. http://blog.xowizard.com/run-pass-option-101-the-rpo-basics/
Am I wrong or is Abraham the last good pass rusher we've had? (EDIT -> Pure Pass Rusher.) I agree with the points you made especially about Chad. It's a shame he always had to fight through injuries .. he's one of my all time fave Jets. The draft is 10 days away. Hopefully this draft will be the first of many that we will remember as part of building a winning team. I know Macaganan has drafted for us before but the circumstances and feel surrounding this draft is completely different. I want to see multiple trade downs that create more Day 1 and 2 picks. Picks that result in the selecting of playmakers, and hopefully not all defensive playmakers. I'd like the war room to add a few weapons for Pettenberg, especially a TE.
