Mock Day 1

We really don't want three first round picks. That would be 3 very large contracts. The first round is very top heavy after the first 7 or 8 players it drops down.

 

Guys I'm dying for the Jets to draft Mangold, but I'm starting to think we are gonna have a problem getting him at #29. Some reasons:

1, He is w/out question the best center in the draft.
2. All 31 other teams know we need a Center more than we need a QB at this point and time.

With that said I am very afraid that someone is gonna trade up to #25-#28 to get him, knowing that there is probably no way he gets past us at #29.

With that said I'd like to hear some alternatives for the Center position if he is gone. Esslinger from MINN in my opinion is not an option. The drop off from Mangold to Esslinger is comparable to going from Mawae to Goodwin. They are not even in the same league. Esslinger will have MAJOR problems with the fat SOB's on the DL. HE is not a stength guy. He is a finese pulling center.

From a fan standpoint we seem to be putting all our eggs in one basket....what happens if Mangold ain't there at #29. Kendall? A serivceable back up at Center at best.

On draft day I will be a nervous wreck until I hear Mangold's name called at #29. Wonder if the "Great Tangini" will get cold feet also and trade #29 and a 3rd rounder to move up 5 or 6 spots to insure we get him.....That might not be a bad idea, especially since we got a nice compensatory pick and an even better idea if we trade down from #4 and get another 1st day pick in Rd 2 or 3 or 4.

Any thoughts??

 

Why do we need to take a center in the first round of this years draft again? It's not really a difficult position to fill so why would we use a pick that high when we can draft someone mid rounds who may not have the athletic ability of Mangold but will probably be stronger and won't cost nearly as much. Drafting a center in the first round and inserting him into the lineup from day one is a disaster. Whoever we draft for that position needs at least a year before he's the starter.

 

I have the exact opposite thinking, White is my guy with the massive bust potential, and my 4th RB. When looking at these guys, White may have the size and strength the others lack, but he's also incredibly immature, and has weight/motivation issues hovering over him (and I take those very seriously with the Ron Dayne similarities he has). In Williams I see a guy who's got the desire to be great, carried his college team, and is a true leader.

 

I agree with your thinking, the NFL is becoming a trend where the smaller quicker RBs are becoming the stars of the league, while the big power backs are becoming obsolete

 

I agree no way would I touch White, besides the fact that he's just not that great a talent, guy's got weight problems and a questionable attitude/character. Hard to predict b/c USC hasn't had their pro day yet but I'll say he doesn't go in the top 20 and if his workout is shaky I could see him available at 29 or even 35.

That said I'm not a fan of Williams either, not sure why people think we shoudl go rb, rb's just aren't hard to find. This year Alexander, edge, M Anderson, J Lewis and others were available. Unless a guy looks truly great, a la Bush, I don't see any value in going rb.

Would love Justice at 15.

 

I've watched DeAngelo a number of times and I Just don't see why everyone loves this kid ... he's okay, but nothing special in my view ... shifty, but not extraordinarily elusive ... decent speed, but not extremely fast ... and of course he's a bit undersized as well, which means he would have to REALLY SHINE in those other areas to make me love him ... that's why I fear his bust factor, reminds me too much of JJ Arrington hmy:

LenDale White, OTOH, impressed the heck out of me everytime I watched him play, and I saw plenty ... BIG BACK with nice speed {for such a big man}, accelerates quickly through the hole, gathers up steam and consistantly rips off 5-10 yards before the first would-be tackler even arrives, and he's an absolute nightmare in the redzone who scores TD's like he has a license, most of the time standing up

YES, LenDale has some issues that must be investigated thoroughly, but "AS A PLAYER" I like him a Great deal more than DeAngelo Williams ... and Just based on the things you can measure, size, speed, ability/talent, etc, I think LenDale White is a significantly better prospect ... I don't even see it as a close call

Now I could be wrong ... won't be the first time ... I was Just never overly impressed with DJ at Memphis, and very impressed with LW at USC .... but the Good news is we won't have to wait two or three years to findout who's right GH, cause as you well know that unwritten rule pertaining to draft picks {Can't Judge for 2 or 3 Years} has never applied to Blue-Chip RB's ... so we'll have a VERY GOOD IDEA right away, in 2006

PS. Reggie Bush, unlike DJ, is the type of smallish RB who renders his size insignificant because his skills are off the charts ... his football speed is blinding and his wiggle is jaw-dropping as well ... IMO DJ may clock okay in the 40, but he doesn't play nearly as fast as Rgggie and his wiggle/cuts are not in the same league either

But like I said GH, this particular question, DJ or LW, will start being answered in 2006 ... I'll be curious to see how this one falls ... and if you're right and I'm wrong, you can rest assured that I will be the first to congratulate you

 

I don't like 1b), we don't need a TE after resigning Baker and there's absolutely no point of taking a TE if it's not Vernon Davis. If we did that trade I'd like to see someone like Chad Greenway or Tamba Hali there.

 

Oh Yeah MSU, and how obsolete was Larry Johnson in 2005? hmy:

:up:

 

Well, Lendale White disappoints again today! White gained 6 pounds since the combine (238-244), didn't run today or do agility drills. White did lift, but only 15 reps.......Bush did more. The Jets should steer clear of White, huge bust potential.

IMO, White is immatue and lazy. DeAngelo is the second best RB in this draft.

 

This might be good news for the Jets

How so?

If true, and I don't dispute your info WW85, it's conceivable White can slide to 29th or 35th Overall hmy:

Maybe you don't draft him too high with these issues, but he'd still be awesome value at 29 or 35

 

The weight is a concern, cause it shows Lendale isn't focused on getting serious for the combine and especially the proday a month later. Why isn't he running at USC??? Only 15 reps, most CBs can lift more. It's a Red Flag, and if a GM has concerns, he will pass on White.

 

I got these numbers from a USC forum, not offical, but no one is disputing them: http://mb25.scout.com/fuscfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=93579.topic