Mo Wilkerson

So he thinks he should be making more than Fletcher Cox... that's a problem. First, because he should and second, because there's no way in hell the Jets should pay him more than Fletcher Cox. Just try to find a trade at this point...

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/fletcher-cox-contract-philadelphia-eagles-2016-6

Information on the Cox deal.

We need to give him a good amount of guaranteed money, and I would try and do so the first 3 years.

 

Of course the point is to win football games. Newsflash - That roided bastard J.J. Watt is pretty good at the game of football and helps his team win.

Look Brad, my point is simply that with Watt you act like the story is over. We are very much in the middle of it. Houston could win 12+ games this year. They could win a SB someday with J.J. Watt making his current contract, who knows. They won 9 games last year but that doesn't mean thats all they are ever going to win.

I'm sorry dude but you argued constantly about how unimportant the cornerback position is and how bad a decision it is to pay for it. things like "the goal is to win games" or a team with great corner never gets it done or whatever I remember those lists... Then Seattle won whole thing with great CBs, New England won the whole thing with a great CB, and Denver won the whole thing with great CBs. So I'm having a hard time following these arguments as you apply them to what might happen in the future.

also- Denver will sign Von Miller so your last paragraph means nothing too. As soon as they get enough rubberbands to organize the stacks and stacks of cash he's going to get, he will have a deal there. Because they are a smart organization.

 

the bold is especially true

 

Revis had his worst season ever (by his standards) and was still the top rated DB in all of football last season. Opposing WR/QB had the lowest completion percentage against Revis last season. To say "No team with a great DB ever wins the SB" is short sighted. There have been so few great DBs in football. There was Deon (and everyone else). There was Revis (and everyone else). Rex used 'a great DB' to go to b2b AFCCGs with a rookie QB. Didn't seem like much then, but now that we can't even get to the playoffs maybe it was pretty good.

 

Should have locked him up a long time ago

I don't mind trading him for fair value at this point but what I don't want is for him to walk with minimal compensation

Either trade for fair value or sign him...Any other option is a disaster

 

Great. The Eagles once again drastically overpay a player and screw the market for the Jets. It reminds me of the Nmandi deal. The Eagles frequently do this crap. Now Mo is only going to want more. I wish the Jets paid him 2 years ago.

 

How can the Eagles even afford a team at this point...They are paying THREE QBs big time money and have a few other ridiculous deals like this most recent Fletcher Cox one

 

Unlike Revis when he wanted more Mo is a true professional - the Post article concludes with this
Wilkerson expects to be on the field on Sept. 11 when the Jets open the season against the Bengals. He said despite his current feelings, when he gets on the field he will put the business behind him and play like he always has.

“I’m all in,” Wilkerson said. “I’m all for being a Jet and finishing my career here. I love the Jets fans. I appreciate all the support from them and I just hope I can continue my career here and play in front of one of the best crowds in the league.”

Mo's problem is they have too many 1st round DL and cant afford to pay all three - maybe even any of the three!! Shame as he is one of my favourite Jets and I would hate to loose him but looks like a fork in the road is on the cards

 

Man, Wilkerson is the prototypical player you want. Immense talent AND production, and a professional attitude. Between overpaying him, or Sheldon in the future, I pick Wilkerson every time.

Until we find a QB we have to overpay, which is probably 3-4 years or more down the track if one of our youngsters pan out, why not use a hefty portion of the cap on a great player? By that time, if the contract is structured right, Wilkerson's effect on the cap shouldn't be debilitating.

 

Agreed. Wilkerson is a class act. I would take him over Richardson any day of the week. If the Jets traded or even cut Richardson after that crap he did last year, I would have completely understood.

 

Here's the Fletcher Cox deal:

1. $26 million signing bonus;

2. $1.299 million fully-guaranteed base salary in 2016;

3. $6 million option bonus due in 2017, fully guaranteed;

4. $3 million fully-guaranteed base salary in 2017;

5. $11.5 million base salary for 2018, guaranteed for injury only at signing but fully guaranteed in March 2017;

6. $15.6 million base salary for 2019, $15.5 million of which is guaranteed for injury only at signing but $7.75 million becomes fully guaranteed in March 2017 and the other $7.75 million becomes fully guaranteed in March 2018;

7. $12.9 million base salary in 2020, plus a $1 million roster bonus due in March;

8. $15 million base salary in 2021, plus a $1 million roster bonus due in March;

9 $16.1 million base salary in 2022, plus a $1 million roster bonus due in March.



If he's willing to accept, I'd do a very similar deal to that. Here's my reasoning: I'd love to have Mo on what would essentially amount to a 3-year deal. That's because we have control over Sheldon for 3 more years (4th year, option year, franchise year). If we strike a deal with Mo that gives him his money in the first 3 years but gives us the flexibility to move on after that, then we can move on from a then-30 year old Wilkerson in favor of extending Sheldon (who at this point would be out of the league's substance abuse program and no longer treated like a repeat offender, reducing the risk involved in extending him).

We can afford this, too. In year 1, there's no way his cap hit would be any more than $15.7 mil, which we're already paying him. In fact, extending him would likely free up even more cap space that can be used to bring back Fitz or roll over into 2017. In year 2, we have tons of impending cap space. I'd rather use that money to retain home grown players than to splurge on top flight free agents. How often does big spending pay off? Not very. Year 3 would be the only tricky one, because we'd be paying a big deal to Mo and also the franchise tag to Sheldon, which is a lot of money allocated to one position. But if you know about it 3 years in advance, it shouldn't be too hard to plan around.

So basically what I'm proposing is keeping Mo, Sheldon and Williams together for the next 3 years and then Sheldon and Williams after that. This frees up cap space in 2016 and sends a good message that we're keeping our own. I'd like to see this get done.

 

here is an idea: quit wasting money and time on fitz, and make a good effort to reach a deal with mo.
you can always do a sign and trade if you have another team willing to deal with you and give you what you want, like a future pick or picks.

 

LOL

 

I have a bad heeling thst Mo is going to sit out training camp. My bet is he sees the Fletcher contract and the Denver situation and goes, "F--- this!" This offseason sucks more than usual.

 

A last minute deal is the easiest way to get Mo and Fitpatrick on the team. Similar to the Cox deal, a $3M base salary in 2016 reduces Mo's cap hit by $14M. Fitzpatrick is in record that he'd do a 1 year $12M deal, which would just replace the $14M that Mo has freed up.

Lower cap hits in 2016 and 2017 to free up cap space. His salary can increase in 2018 because by then Revis will be gone and the cap will have continued to rise.

 

There's no way to reduce Mo's hit by more than about $10M without taking huge hits in future years. You could squeeze maybe a $5M cap hit overall into this season and a $10M cap hit into next season, like the Eagles did with Cox (actually $6.5M this year and $9.4M next) but then the cap numbers are going to be in the low 20's at that point for awhile.

The hangup in the new cycle of deals is all the guaranteed money. This means that you mostly can't backload a deal with every intention of those future years playing out in a different manner the way you used to be able to.

Suh and Cox are on their team's respective caps for better or worse until about 2019 and in a big way. This includes them being there even if injured or ineffective in other ways.

Most of the research on the new second contract wave at this point suggests that the teams involved are already regretting those deals and the regrets are likely to intensify.

Mo has gotten screwed by the contract situation and there's no question about that. However the Jets now screwing themselves to compensate is not likely to be the best way to go.

 

At this point you'd be trading him BELOW market values. I'd take 2 future 2's at this point...