Mike White Contract 2022

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  1. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Well it looks like the coaching staff has spoken.... it's sink or swim time
     
  2. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    He’s a solid to very good back up as far as I can tell made to look better in our eyes because Zach’s inability thus far to execute the simple plays by comparison.
     
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    Super fair IMO. A big part of the reason he's looked so good is probably because Zach has looked so bad in basically the same situation.
     
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  4. CotcheryFan

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    Could LaFleur's scheme turn him into an above average starter? He looked like a poised veteran on the drive before getting hurt.
     
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  5. legler82

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    So far it has. Got to weigh that against Wilson’s potential. That’s why Saleh gets paid the big bucks. Wouldn’t want to be him.
     
  6. ukjetsfan

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    I disagree. A big part of the reason he's looked so good is that he has completed 72.7 per cent of his passes.
     
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  7. ukjetsfan

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    People were hanging LaFleur in effigy when Wilson was struggling. Now he's the reason White has looked good?
     
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  8. CotcheryFan

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    I've heard many theories. Being in the booth, a QB who can make the boring plays, LaFleur learning and growing. Could be all of the above for all we know.
     
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  9. Mogriffjr

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    White also has been just learning things for 4 years under various staffs so he’s pretty knowledgeable. Not sure why this is a mark on Zach who was learning as a rookie, and still learning the system. Not sure why suddenly it’s like Zach can’t grasp the system, he just needs time but Jet fans can be super impatient. LaFleur was supposed to be fired at this point…
     
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  10. Donttasemebro

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    since there's nothing new to argue over....here's an interesting article from a scouting guy who has made some fairly aggressive predictions about underrated skill players predraft and been proven right. (he's wrong at times too so ...grain of salt)

    This was predraft for mike white

    https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/10/05/rsp-boiler-room-no-113-qb-mike-white-western-kentucky/

    edit: for funzies here's his breakdown for zach wilson

    https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2021/04/...-room-with-mark-schofield-qb-zach-wilson-byu/

    Waldman predicted mahomes, lamar, and a lot of others...found him years ago when he predicted ahmad bradshaw would be a really nice pro back.

    for what it's worth....he also really likes mims but believes the coaches are being too inflexible about letting him do what he's good at and are instead trying to make him be something else.
     
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  11. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    What if Zach Wilson was the 4th best QB on this roster? How depressing would that be
     
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  12. cval

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    What if he is now but will be top 10 in the NFL in two years. How great would that be. Or how about we sign Mike White and Zach goes on to be top 10 and White goes down with injury?
     
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  13. NCJetsfan

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    I disagree. Wilson is the better option because he is the future. Mike White is not. We have a lot invested in Zach and it would be extremely foolish to not use this season when the team is struggling due to having so many young players and a rookie HC and OC, to let Zach play, learn and develop. Then next season, the offense should be ready to rock and roll. The very reason the Jets didn't sign or trade for a veteran QB is because they thought Zach would be ready to start and could develop pressure free since there were so many other rookies starting and our HC and OC are rookies. When you decide upon a plan like that, you don't abandon it midstream unless it proves to be an umitigated disaster, and that is not the case.

    What good does it accomplish to let White start the rest of this season, and then Zach isn't ready to play, and then he holds the offense back? The Jets didn't invest the #2 pick in the draft and a lot of money in Wilson to let him sit on the bench. Zach may not pan out, but he is the best QB prospect we've had since Namath. He is much more talented than White and his ceiling is a lot higher than White. If Zach doesn't pan out, we can always turn to White and see if he can be the guy. Play White and if he does well, then you run the risk of dividing the lockerroom and creating a QB controversy. Then you wind up losing either way. You either have to trade Wilson whose value will have decreased, or trade White and won't get value because other teams know you have to trade him to avoid the QB controversy. Then you have half the team unhappy, and have to play Zach who hasn't developed because he sat behind White.

    Zach is a quick learner and studies film, so he has already learned his lesson about what taking what the D gives you, now he needs to practice doing that in games. That's the only way it can become part of how he plays. There is nothing else he can learn from Mike White.

    It doesn't make any sense on any level. Thankfully, it's not what professionals do. They go with the surer thing, the more talented player, rather than hoping they catch lighting in a bottle and have the next Brady.
     
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  14. NCJetsfan

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    And that is easy to do when that's your focus and you aren't looking to throw the ball further than 15-20 yards downfield.

    What makes this so crazy is last year posters were always complaining about Sam being the checkdown king and not throwing long. Thats exactly what White appears to be. We know that Zach likes to throw deep and does do that well. He showed signs before getting injured vs NE that he was already starting to take what the D was giving and throwing better on the short passes.
     
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  15. NCJetsfan

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    Well, he moved to the booth, and made a major shift in his game planning, approach, and play calling. That's bound to have some effect, as well as the OL, RB and TEs playing better, and the WRs actually catching the ball.
     
  16. NCJetsfan

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    We all could play the "What if?" game. Wilson is not the 4th best QB on this roster. That's absurd. There's a reason he was drafted #2 in the draft. There are things he needs to learn and will learn, but he needs the experience of playing. There's no point in wasting a year of his career sitting him behind Mike White, Josh Johnson or Joe Flacco.
     
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  17. legler82

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    I personally have no issues with a QB taking check downs. I do take issue when they can’t consistently accurately complete them. Sam had that issue and SO FAR so has Zach.
     
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  18. bicketybam

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    What's the acceptable completion percentage these days? 65% 60%?

    Wilson's is too low. 57.5% is pretty bad. Winston is ahead of him at 59% then Fields (59.4%), TL (59.5%) and Darnold (59.5%).

    Another thing worth noting is that Jacksonville and Chicago fans seem to have a lot more patience with their rookie QB's than NY fans. Neither of their rookie QB's have been good but you don't see the angst you see in NY.
     
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  19. legler82

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    CMP% is less important than accuracy and ball placement. You can scheme high CMP%. It doesn’t mean you’re accurate or putting the ball consistently in the right spots. Zach’s accuracy has been inconsistent at best and his ball placement has been bad all year IMO.
     
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  20. BrowningNagle

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    that would be great. But surprisingly its easier to be a bad QB than it is to be a good one
     

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