Yeah I’ve seen them all. 2 tip balls, 2 where he chucked it deep because he thought it was a free play, 1 WR slip, 1 DE dropped in front of a hot shallow cross on a zone dog blitz, the one on Monday where the defensive lineman batted & intercepted the ball at the LOS. I have yet to see him the any of the Sanchez, Sam and so far Wilson “WTF was that” type INTs. The box scores are similar but their struggles have been different. In terms of turnovers, fumbles have been his issue.
Well it goes back to my predraft biases and what I value compared to others. Zach was praised for “giving his WRs a chance”. I viewed it more as him putting the ball in harms way and poor ball placement. Missing deep shots by a yard or 2 is less concerning to me than dirting a pass on a bubble screen with the receiver 5 yards away, throwing the ball to the inside on an out route, throwing into triple coverage…etc. Some seem to be lump everything under “rookie struggles” as though there aren’t differences.
Absolultely, that’s the point they can be excused. I rather see INTs I can excuse than the alternative. To each their own though.
can't argue with any of that I disliked Lawrence in college so I was kinda hopin he'd struggle especially when our Jets missed out on the no.1 pick. It is surprising that he's playing this poorly though. They have some talent on that Jax offense, I'd figured theyd lose alot but I thought they would put up points
That's where I am at with this as well. Zach to me is the future. Not just because he earned #2 draft spot, but I've seen glimpses of what he can be, and that's Mahomes/Rogers type of player. White doesn't have anywhere near this type of potential, though he might become a decent starter in this League and get us a late 1st or a 2nd round pick, like NE got for some of their back-ups. Or just be a great back-up for some time. Zach I felt had a really good performance against NE before he got hurt, one small mistake really all game on that long pass, and even that resulted in huge PI gain, because when you have ability to give your receiver a chance on a long throw like that, good things can happen. Still, should have passed to Davis for 15 yard gain, but the point is, he improved during bye week. And I feel now he will improve further with LaFleur being in the booth and making better calls, plus having to observe for 3 more weeks. With all that said, I have no problem with Zach sitting vs Bills to fully recover, even if he felt he could have played. That's the benefit of having a good back-up - you don't need to rush you starter in when he is not 100%, especially a rookie against a good defense that can cause reinjury. I am with Max though - I just don't see Mike lighting up the Bills. Bengals game was a combination of teams not having enough data on White, LaFleur's much improved play-calling, and White being much better than anyone thought. Including JD, who would not have given up 6h rounder for Flacco if he thought White was this good.. Bills will be ready for White, that's for sure. If White does go off on Bills though, it will be a different story. We will cross that bridge when (and big if) we get to it.
I lived in Chicago for a decade. Everyone I know in Chicago is beyond excited. No one is arguing over Mike White.
Do you have the same analysis for Wilson or were all of his INT's wreckless throws straight to the defender? Chicago has the WORST passing offense in the league. It had the second to worst offense in terms of total yards and 3rd last in PPG. Fields has not been good no matter how you spin it.
Not all of Wilson’s were reckless but he’s had a few I can’t reconcile. I liked Sanchez, and supported Darnold even though he wasn’t my preferred choice but they both would occasionally make throws and decision I couldn’t excuse. Call it PTSD but I can’t help my reaction towards seeing yet another young QB for my favorite team do the same. If/when Mike White makes a WTF throw, my level of concern will be the same. You are coming from the perspective of box scores. I watched the games. I can equate it to looking at Josh Allen’s stats at Wyoming vs watching his games. If I went by his stats, I wouldn’t have drafted him.
To be fair, we've seen a lot of similar comments about Wilson (bad play-calling, bad o-line, receivers letting him down) and those same comments in reverse for White (better play-calling, improved o-line play, receivers holding on to the ball). I just don't think you can have it both ways.
Some of the best QBs in NFL today didn't play much 1st year. Lamar, Mahomes, Allen either didn't play 1st 8 games and learned on the sidelines or had some WTF moments too like Josh. I fully expect Zach to better in the second half of the year. We need to remember Zach is a rookie, and White is a 4th year player, who was on sidelines watching some good QBs, like Dak, and practicing against NFL players for 3 years. It's not a competition of two 22 year old rookies, where 5th round pick is ahead of 2nd overall. White is 4 years older and has a lot more experience if not on the field, in NFL in general.
We had to revert to the pre-draft discussions to bring back some passion around here. It feels like our team is in limbo with more questions than answers right now. Which is weird because were half way through the season.
Unless he sits the rest of the year, the situation cannot really he compared to Mahomes, Jackson or Allen. Wilson player, he didn’t sit. So now he’s in the bucket of guys who played. Allen is an extreme outlier as well in terms of his upward progression through his first three years. That just doesn’t happen.
Fair. I didn’t see every snap of Lamar, Allen & Mahomes when they first started; so I’ll have to take your word for it. My perspective is formed from watching Sanchez, Geno, Sam…etc. I remember brushing their WTF moments to the side as just the normal young QB growing pains. I was ultimately wrong. Maybe Zach is different but no one is going to shame me for being concerned a bit about history repeating itself. I maybe a slow learner, but I learn eventually.
The weird thing is that I think the TEAM is in a way better spot than it’s been in a while. White is giving some fans hope. It may and most probably be completely false and fleeting, but hope nonetheless.
I'll take that as a compliment I guess. So next two weeks. White plays similar to what we've seen so far without getting injured. He should be benched for Wilson? Now that's ridiculous take NC. Let Zach sit the rest of the year and learn. Let White continue to develop and then go into the off season with a healthy QB competition. I'm a huge Zach supporter but it's been pretty clear he wasn't ready. And that's ok. It's not giving up on him. It's actually probably the best thing for him right now. Watch and learn. Get his competitive juices flowing again knowing he's going to have to earn the job. Serious question. Why hand him back the job immediately? For our big playoff push? Lol. And it's not like White is 32 years old. Dude is 26 and entering this prime. Why would it hurt to let him play out the season?
I agree, 3 years is a long time for Allen to explode into the scene, but we are not there yet. We are just at the first year. I expect second of half of the first year to be much better for Zach. Also, when you watched Sanchez that first year, did you catch Matt Stafford too, drafted top in the same class? Not a great story either as a rookie, but turned it around.
