I'd love to bring in McCarthy or Payton, but just don't see either team letting them go. Linehan or Jeff Fisher would be my next choices if we went retread. Marrone is a total douchebag though, and Haley is the worst of the douchebags. Everywhere Haley has gone, sideline blow ups, and players hating him has followed. he's really arrogant, and a fake tough guy, both of which rubs players the wrong way. I'd rather keep Bowles than bring in either Marrone or Haley. With Arizona: With Kansas City: With Pittsburgh: http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/4402040-74/roethlisberger-think-offense http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...tonio-brown-confronts-todd-haley-on-sideline/
Idzik gave us four starters in Richardson, Winters, Pryor, and Enunwa. For two drafts, that's pretty bad. But are we going to get more than four starters from Mac? Right now, we have three in Williams, Lee, and Jenkins. Hopefully guys like Mauldin, Burris, Shell, etc. step it up, but they haven't looked very promising. Of course, if Hack becomes a good QB, it'll all look very different. But if I were to rank all the QBs drafted this year in any round, Hack would have to be last.
i believe woody laid out who was and wasn't replaceable when idzic interviewed. i've always said idzic's worst move was taking the job to begin with. woody wasn't ready to let go of his buddies rex and terry bradway, there was no way any gm was coming in there with a vision he could pull off while they were still there with woody's ear.
I would say we should also rebuild our offensive line. Even good QBs can't properly develop without having time to pass.
it is early to judge mac. it was also early to judge idzik when he was fired. idzik also had a coach forced on him. we are comparing Mac to Idzik, cant use excuses for one and not the other. the only real difference was that Mac came in with a ton of money and low expectations and idzik came in with no money and high expectations.
Haley is interesting. He's got multiple ties to the Jets, part of the Parcells tree, good offensive mind, Super Bowl on his resume, probabaly primed and ready for a second crack as HC. He's got baggage and a lot of people here may not like him, but I think he would be a good choice. I think he fired Gailey once before, so Chan would be gone.
Both Idzik and Maccagnan shared one thing in common though on the way in the door and that was a completely toxic media environment that poisoned a fan base that was already reeling from the collapse after 2010. There have always been writers in this town that were ready to stick a knife in the Jets anytime they saw the opportunity. The decline in media advertising and circulation has added a lot of fuel to that fire. There are so many different outlets now that a sports editorial department is more than willing to forgo professionalism in order to make a buck while that buck is still on the table. It only takes a couple of editors and writers to turn the Jets into tabloid central and we had those volunteers as of 2012.
Couple that with the fact that Rex was fighting for his job while Idzik was employing a vision that would take up to three or four years to complete and you have a recipe for disaster. My whole point of this thread was to prove how the two were pretty much equal. Maccagnan has not signed one player I've been wowed with and I'd consider Carpenter a disappointment as a guy with the 11th highest cap hit in 2017 out of 64 for at best middle of the road guard play. Skrine is tied for the 17th highest cap hit at his position for a guy that was signed to play the slot. Maccagnan is horrible at managing the cap. I don't get why we don't employ someone to handle the cap and a guy to handle the personnel like the Bradway/Tannenbaum combination prior to Tanny's promotion. Say what you want about Bradway and his blunders but he was the director of personnel and the GM of 3/5 playoff appearances. He's honestly putting these two to shame. Tannenbaum ain't doing too shabby down in Miami either.
You're right about the media, but they aren't a good excuse for the Jets' problems. You don't see the Giants falling into dysfunction, and they're in the same market.
The Giants don't get covered the way the Jets do. There's negative press for sure but they don't have dedicated haters and trolls in the media like the Jets do. Gary Myers spent a decade plus saying nothing good about the Jets unless there was a veiled jab in the mix. This was true through the Parcells and Edwards eras and it continued into Mangini and Rex. Manish Mehta has been a troll extraordinaire, milking the Jets for negative story lines that would sell well. Before them you had Steve Serby in the 70's who covered the Jets like they were an unfolding natural disaster, which in truth they were for most of the decade but there's a reason he was the guy who got shoved into a locker by Richard Todd. There are very professional reporters covering the Jets but in this media environment where there is such pressure to differentiate and sell some people just go over the edge. Those people more than anybody else are the reason the media environment is so toxic. The way I look at it both teams get negative press but the Jets get one level worse. If the Jets are mediocre they get covered by some people like they're bad. If they're bad it's as if they're terrible. If they're good they get subtle jabs thrown into the mix on a regular basis. This is not a Woody Johnson phenomenon either, it happened all the time during Leon Hess's ownership.
Great point about Tannenbaum in Miami, he also has a position with more authority in Miami which allows him to make better decisions for the team. Their chain of command is also linear, so it starts with him and trickles down in regards to personnel decisions. I think he has learned a lot with his time as Jets GM. He won't repeat the same mistakes in Miami and it's already paying dividends, they have hired their second offensive minded HC who has worked with some good QBs and he has focused on solidifying the trenches on both sides of the ball. They are also willing to take their punishment while developing a young QB instead of going with a NFL journeyman.
If that was just the issue then the media would have turned around on a dime in the early 2000's and during Rex's tenure early on. We still had negative stuff being written about the team all the time in those "successful" eras. The problem is that the tri-state media market promotes trolls differentiating to sell. That's because there are two football teams and a ton of sites looking to sell and the team perceived as the weaker of the two franchises is going to draw trolls. I have no idea if the Giants had the lion's share of the trolls in the late 60's or early 70's but I would not be surprised to find that was the case.
IMO there were two reasons why the early success of the Rex era didn't change the media. One is Rex is Rex and he asks for it. And two is you need more than two good seasons to turn around the perception of your franchise.
Covered entirely differently.....and 'dysfunction' is often fabricated for clicks.. for instance: Bowles doesn't report to Mac: 'dysfunction' McAdoo doesn't report to Reese (neither did Coughlin): 'classy' or not even mentioned I will say this, whichever team loses in a given week gets the most coverage though, as the NY media just loves negativity. So the Giants get their share too. However, when it's the Jets, it's always extra, and comes with a lot of fabrication..
2004 10-6 2006 10-6 2008 9-7 2009 9-7 2010 11-5 The Jets had nothing to apologize for as of 2011. 5 seasons at 9 wins or more out of the previous 7. Playing in the same division as a dynasty. Doing all of that with a revolving door at QB. The dynamics were that somebody has to get shafted in the NY media market because some people have to move into that sphere to sell.
