Mike LaFleur: Year End Grade

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Your Year End Grade for Mike LaFleur

  1. A+ to A-

    7.2%
  2. B+ to B-

    53.6%
  3. C+ to C-

    30.4%
  4. D

    4.3%
  5. F

    4.3%
  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I was dogging him all year and he definitely showed his inexperience but my eyes were opened in Buffalo. He has receivers running open out there, the QB just doesn’t find them.
     
  2. JackBower

    JackBower Well-Known Member

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    ^lololol
     
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  3. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    Wilson needs platform shoes.[​IMG]
     
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  4. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    When you are throwing from your back, I do not think it matters.
     
  5. JackBower

    JackBower Well-Known Member

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    Guys, Mims was out there. Of course he was getting open we just weren't seeing it
     
  6. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    Neither was Zach, the friggin' midget!
     
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  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    because some people are more rational then emotional. your being emotional and in the process of that being completely off in all your assesments
     
  8. westiedog1

    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    After further reflection, I decided to change my vote to B. The deciding factor was Mike White's and Josh Johnson's performances as backups. They pretty much indicated that the playcalling was sound, and it was the execution by the rookie that was poor. This is not a loss of faith in Wilson, it's just how it is right now with him. I have hope that he will evolve into a top QB. LaFleur should be retained as OC.
     
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  9. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The play calling with Mike White and Johnson changed dramatically though and they ran what looked a lot more like the 49ers system than the bullshit retrofit BYU system that he was trying to build with Wilson.

    Some of this was probably because the offensive line was horrible the first several weeks, but he was dialing up a ton of max protect two man routes for Wilson to throw bombs into. Then he realized that was stupid when Wilson went down and we saw the system evolve into what it should’ve been all along.

    LaFleur did a decent job this year after that all things considered.
     
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  10. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Meh..it's LaFleurs job to make it click whether Wilson or the rest of the players sucked eggs

    He started out terribly ..but after a few family conferences with brother I saw some improvement over the last 10-12 games

    Grade: Solid C
     
  11. westiedog1

    westiedog1 Well-Known Member

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    Always respect your postings but I can't wrap around this explanation. The playbook is the playbook. I don't see how it's possible to have two playbooks on one team. If it were, Tim Tebow would still be playing in the NFL. It's got to be difficult enough for the players to remember one playbook, almost impossible to remember two. And if you did that, you would be jeopardizing team efficiency by increasing the odds that one or several of your players would be confused about what was called. It's possible that there might be two subsets of plays within the playbook, but even there it's hard to imagine how difficult that would be for the players, especially a young group, to be able to remember and execute one set of plays for QB A and another set for QB B. To me that seems a recipe for failure, and if that were truly the case, then I would change my vote back to F. My take is that White, having a bit more experience (but not much), and Johnson had a better feel for who would be open on a given play within the 2-3 seconds allowed, as opposed to Wilson who seemed focused on getting the ball to one guy, Davis.
     
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  12. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The playbooks are robust though. Teams throw out several pages of plays every other week based on matchup and success.

    We were keeping 7 guys in to block and loading up tightends early in the year while running Cole & Davis on two man routes way down the field and it appeared as though this was a bad over-adjustment to try to fit the offense to what Wilson was used to at BYU and throw deep down the field. The Patriots game(s) were good examples of this.

    When White came in, the offense started to look exactly what the 49ers run. Jet motion, spread offense, less predictable run plays and a lot of moving around. It continued for the rest of the year.

    It’s not as if this offense wasn’t installed early in the year, but it wasn’t being used in its entirety and I do concede it’s partly because our pass protection was terrible and lost against the blitz.
     
  13. MoWilkBeast

    MoWilkBeast Well-Known Member

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    Of course he was. He'd just false started first and the play was dead but Mims hadn't realized and was sulking about not being thrown the ball.
     
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  14. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Was the playcalling really any different or was White & Johnson just better at getting the ball out, specifically out to the shorter routes?

    its a question, not smart ass rhetorical one

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    How does Michael Carter get 14 targets on a beautiful sunny day against Cincinnati but only 3 in a windy december game in Buffalo? If the answer is that the offensive coordinator called the 2 games that way then I think he's a problem. But I don't think he did call them that way. I think the difference was execution of the QB
     
  15. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    What playbook was he using when White tossed 4 picks against Buffalo?
     
  16. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    How does White toss 4 picks with all of his weapons available and Wilson doesn't throw a single one on the road in a game Buffalo absolutely needed to win? The last game against Buffalo, on the road with mostly backups playing on offense, was way more competitive than that absolute stinker we played against them at home. White was atrocious in that home game.
     
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  17. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    He was using a playbook that resembled what the 49ers run and not the mish-mosh of no identity football he was calling early in the season.

    But it’s obvious you just wanted to stick in that Mike White threw four picks since you double posted it to two different people.
    He was calling a lot more plays with deep shots in mind, yet less guys out in the pattern. This is in part because the offensive line was an utter fucking disaster early on in the season, but the playcalling looked much different when LaFleur went back to his roots.
     
  18. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    SHHH, he should have thrown to Carter, didn't you get the memo. He was at the game and saw Carter and Mims wide open all day.
     
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  19. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Well don't you think, when tasked with a windy day & missing receivers on the road, that its a good idea to throw some short passes to Michael Carter out of the backfield?
    On a day when the Jets offense finished with 5 net passing yards, how is not throwing to Michael Carter seen as anything but a complete failure? I know we want to grade our QB & Coordinator on a nice easy curve but come on...
     
  20. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    Just like anything it is all about context and down and distance, weather, and what coverages the defenses are playing. Trying to throw short touch passes in the wind is very difficult because the wind just carries the ball (You saw this on both sides Sunday) . Down and distance- The jets were often backed up losing yards on first and 2nd down. Thirdly the defense- The Bills defense took the option away. When you can generate a pass rush without blitzing you can cover the throws out to the backs pretty easily.

    The jets could not throw to carter for the same reason they could not in the first game. The Bills took the option away. I hope somebody breaks down the film and this will become abundantly clear. With the weather, weapons, o-line and The bills defense the Jets had no chance.
     

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