Michael Kay heard "Idzik and Rex fired Monday"

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  1. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    If Kay is saying it, it was probably spoon fed to him from a source that he considers to be either inside or reliable, so he trusts running with it. I could see the Jets giving him he info. If Sunday's worst fears are realized, ( blow-out; stadium half filed w/Steeler fans), it very well could happen.
     
  2. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You have to have a very good Plan B in mind if you clean house at the bye. If the Jets actually did this I would expect them to have a big hire associated with the move. Somebody on par with Bill Parcells circa '97/Jon Gruden/etc.

    The problem the Jets face right now is the same problem they faced after 2012. There's not enough talent on the roster and they have major decisions coming up on their own players and in terms of moving the team forward.

    Firing Rex/Idzik isn't going to change any of that in a vacuum. If you decided to go that way you need to make sure there's no vacuum after the fact. The rest of this season can't be caretaker mode for whatever is next. It needs to be active evaluation time by whoever is next.
     
  3. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    I have no doubt Kay would say anything for attention, and I mean anything. Kay is right up there with the worst hacks in sports in America.

    I couldn't give that insufferable, sycophant douchebag credit for shit....
     
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  4. JetBlue

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    He didn't validate the point in that it reflects truth he validated you in that you know there are others that agree with you.

    We are both making anecdotal points for certain. But it is far more speculation to question Idzik's specific confidence which is not a matter of opinion but would either be true or false, and any claim made of it is made of ignorance if you don't know Idzik, than there is speculation to the broad assertion that a confident, driven person would not be afraid to be evaluated in the short term and that is a trait you should be interested in rather than pursuing someone who is insecure and afraid to be evaluated.
     
  5. pclfan

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    Last year nobody was screaming for Idzik's head. Because the team was 8-8 and showed improvement at the end of the season. Plus his first year draft looked ok. So the question is: is the guy really that incompetent. In terms of talent what did he inherit from his predecessor who was fired. What do the other GMs think of the job Idzik has done. I'd be interested to hear about that from Charlie Casserly. I personally don't blame him for the cornerbacks. Look at the Giants the team who signed DRC who preferred the Giants over the Jets. It was his choice. Both of the Giants starting Cbs are injured. DRC and Prince. It's the same thing with every team. So teams have to sign practice squad guys like the Jets did and start them.
     
  6. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Well first of all, you have to remember that we're dealing with Woody and he has definitely moved in relation to his perception of the fans' feelings before. Its entirely possible that he's thinking to blow it up and forget about the '14 season. It's worked for other teams (see '11 Colts). You could do that and still perform the evaluation that you mention. That would leave us with a sure # 1 2 or 3 draft pick and at least 2 if not 3 potential franchise QBs up for grabs. That, plus complete control and about $60 million of cap space might be enticing to lure the next guy.

    And you are absolutely right about the Jets going for the big hire. The last time they did it (Parcells), although he cut his tenure as HC short, he set the franchise on the right course through 2010. 7 playoff appearances from 1997 though 2010, together with 2 additional 9-7s and an 8-8. A good time for Jets football, all things considered. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Gruden's the right guy. Harbaugh might be, but what will he cost, compensation wise, and is he destined for Michigan?
     
  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I call fake on the tits.
     
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    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but if you're the Jets, wouldn't you, like to burn fat francessa by giving this tidbit to Kay(who I think is everything you say he is, btw)
    If francessa doesn't address it, it might be a sign of its reliability
     
  9. NJBeliever

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    Agreed. Let's secure the top pick first.
     
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    The new coach will probably be an HC/GM so the firing mid-season should not be an issue.
     
  11. BrowningNagle

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    Idzik dug his own grave when he didn't go after Revis.. yes, expensive Revis who wanted to return. Nevermind that his 2014 draft has been horrible, that his QB pick in Geno Smith is a joke, that the team has tons of weaknesses, etc..

    If he grabbed Revis in the offseason this team would be at least 3-5, in the hunt, and he'd be looked at as the guy who traded Revis, got Sheldon Richardson for it AND got Revis BACK in one year. All his other failings would be ignored and people would be talking about the "easy part of the schedule" right now...

    One guy can make that much difference...

    With any "rebuild" at the very, very least you have to have something to hang your hat on.. some sort of improvement, etc that people can believe in your plan. That doesn't exist here. The only thing he's really done is gut the roster and create cap room. That doesn't speak to his ability to build a football team. Lots of net negative moves and his positive moves are more net-neutral. Like Richardson --losing Revis... I call that neutral.

    And to go into a season with so much cap room and end up 1-8 is insulting to fans. He deserves the criticism. that shit should never fly. Especially in NY.
     
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  12. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    Good call
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    You ain't shown shit.

    I recall the events leading up to Idzik's hire. Idzik was not on the first list of candidates. Only after several either interviewed and left, or did not even come for interviews, and during which time it came out that Woody was insisting any new GM accept Ryan as the HC, did they fall to Idzik who, obviously, accepted Woody's condition.

    That was not a good way to hire a GM, and we are left with one who has no prior track record of success who has come in to the Jets and sucked.
     
  14. xxedge72x

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    Woody could win troll of the year, and possibly decade... and possibly goat if he fired Idzik and replaced him with... Terry Bradway.
     
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    I tend to agree with this with one caveat, and that is I believe Woody is the one who decided they would have nothing to do with Revis. It is a personal and emotional thing with Woody.

    Meanwhile a top organization (it gags me to say) like the Pats had no trouble reaching agreement with him, no news of him being a disruptive presence for them or anything of the sort, and they are leading the conference and staying under the cap. That tells me a lot.
     
  16. Pocket Jet

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    If this is a rumor, let's throw some fuel on this fire. My suggestion would be Mike F - his fat could keep it burning for months.
     
  17. Big Blocker

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    I understand your points, but Woody also has to consider, assuming Metlife becomes Heinz Field East this Sunday, how many more embarassments like that he would want to see down the stretch. For the NE game? The Miami game? If he cleans house next week, he might reasonably surmise some percentage of his ticket holders might come to the games who might otherwise unload them, and have their tickets purchased by the fans of hated opponents.

    Not that i am predicting that he will.
     
  18. Br4d

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    I just don't think you fire somebody because two CB's got hurt early on and the QB situation is a mess. It's not like there were better answers out there unless you wanted to sign free agent CB's alongside the draftees and make a foolish commitment to the position in the process.

    Once the Jets drafted Milliner on the 9 and then McDougle with the 3rd this year that course was set and having both of them go down to season-ending injuries, well that was just terrible luck.

    Without the QB none of this would have mattered anyway. The people drafted to play QB last year are a combined 4-17 between them. None of them were going to come in here and make things better right away. The only vet worth grabbing last year was Vick and he's obviously not prepared to lead the Jets offense.

    It's not like there were better answers out there this off-season. That said, the coaching staff has gotten as little out of the talent that is on the roster as you can get at this point.
     
  19. abyzmul

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    When you draft injury risks to be impact players, it's in your best interest to backfill with quality depth at the position.
     
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    Its not bad luck when you rely on two guys that are proven to be injury prone and putting all your eggs and one basket hoping they dont get injured. It is bad luck when you have players that have a history of being durable go down. Idziks strategy was way too risky and the team is paying his price for his gamble right now.
     
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  21. Aewhistory

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    If this rumor is true I am going to do a little dance.

    And to answer why we would do this: getting rid of RR allows the Jets to go into full eval mode with its players and even it's remaining coaching staff. It is clear to me that RR is going to coach for his next job and that does this franchise no good. Moreover, his staying is only going to continue to impede the development and poison the atmosphere of what remains of this team. After all, do you really want RR around whispering in the ear of our few good players like MoWilk about how much better it would be to play for him somewhere else!? No chance, he needs to go NOW!
     

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