Good point. But then the Hackenberg pick was pretty pointless then if they think highly of Petty. To me there is just so many signs that point to him not ever being a part of our future.
Might be our only option being that we have like 3 million in cap space and Fitzpatrick wants about 4 times that or more
Yeah but I'm not sure the Jets want to go very far to do that.....I think Fitz will have to cave in if he wants to play and the Jets seem prepared to move on if he doesn't
Absolutely. Hackenburg just added some weight that tips the scale towards Petty's departure. Define "cave in."
Whatever the Jets are offering Fitz would be caving in.....Was that number ever made public? I don't think they're close at all and I don't see the Jets upping their offer much, if at all......so in Fitz's view he would be caving in If they like the way Geno looks early on it's possible they could pull the offer or lower it, of course it could go the other way
No. "Reported" numbers have been thrown around and lots of people here have bought into one or another but the actual situation is that neither the team nor the player is going to reveal the numbers actively being negotiated. Only when a deal is signed will we know the terms. I would imagine the sides are very close but there is no pressure right now to get a deal done. Barring some major moves by other QBs in the league, I expect Fitzpatrick to be the man this season, probably even before July. As far as "caving in"is concerned, if there was no realistic demand for a big number, there can't be any caving in unless he ends up playing for much less than he did a year ago.
There are several issues that people over looking in my view when we discuss the options - namely wages in the future and the impact on the CAP The team do not want to overpay Fitz as lets be onest he has a bad history of throwing ints when the pressure comes on and his deep ball is lacking. Google him and see some of the ints he threw when he was a Bill and then look at the three ints in the final game - no progress as they were bad decisions and cost his team the game. His first int Vs the Bills was when we were down by just 2. In addition his decisions all year to ignore easy 8-15 yard completions instead choosing to go deep on a low percentage pass was frustrating to say the least. How much of a guaranteee do you give especially when you have 2 potential alternate options for 2017 on the roster. If Fitz does not resign and Geno starts and plays well or better then the Jets are facing a dilemma similar to the Broncos - do they commit $$$$ based on 1 years production with the risk "bad Geno" returns the following year? Irrespective of how or even if he plays this year Geno is unlikely to be with the team in 2017 for thsoe reasons Petty is a project and we all knew that so even if Fitz is resigned he is at most a 1-2 year bridge while Petty is a cheap back up option in years 3 & 4 of his rookie deal even if he never moves on and starts - it also reduces his pay out as a FA when he hits the market if he is not a viable starter. No way the Jets talk him up like Rex used to do with Revis etc - it is used in contract negotiations to extort the FO. We also need the FO to see during OTAs if Petty has actually progressed as they hoped - this is a time when the game slows for young QBs and we start to see them develop Hack was a QB the FO have become enamoured with - happens every so often when they spend time evaluating the draft - they see a potential "franchise" type guy and rolled the dice - it really has no major mpact on the comments at 1-3 but could be a valuable home run in a few years if it delivers - again either way they have a cheap back-up option if Petty is traded or starts in 2018-2019 and he too fails to develop. This is all about building a long term viable franchise that has interchangeable depth - the Pats took a QB in Rd 3 just 2 years after Garoppolo who was their next "Brady" do you see them ask if they can improve their back up - no they look at the cost of the back up and the tradability of other pieces of their roster - this is a business plain and simple where fans are foolish if they get too attached to any individual player. The Pats traded a really good DE as they saw they would not be able to pay Jones, Collins and Hightower - the moves we are seeing from our FO are more akin to these than anything else. Adding Metz to the mix is bad as it takes reps and he is not clearly proven to be better than the current options on the roster - we need to support the players on the roster and believe in the FO.
Given the quality and inexperience of our current QBs there is no reason we shoult not bring in Mettenburger as camp fodder / possible savior. Low cost, low risk, and high upside. If nothing else he could be a reliable QB2 if he fails to win the starting job.
Geno Smith is Mark Sanchez version 2. The guy can always be counted on to turn over the football. Low football IQ that will only improve marginally with more reps. Please can we cut bait with him already?
If Maziel gets his shit together and goes to rehab some team might be very happy with the result of giving him a secind chance. However, if Manziel ever gets another shot in the NFL and blows it anyone would be nuts to go near him after that.
I don't think anybody is going to go near Manziel for awhile if at all. Timebomb waiting to go off and why would you put your team in the blast radius?
Not sure why anyone would want to go with PFF rankings unless it fit their narrative. If you look at actual stats the Jets were 28th in pts per game, Titans were 30th. Total yards Jets were 22nd and Titans were 29th, turnovers Jets were 29th and Titans were 28th. Why anyone would want to bring in Mettenberger is beyond me, he has done absolutely nothing to make me think he could be better than Geno and I certainly wouldn't get rid of Petty to bring him in. I would say best case scenario is Mettenberger would be neck and neck with what Geno could do, worst case scenario could be ugly, for a cap savings of $350K it's just not worth it. I can't believe I typed a post where I backed Geno, going to have to lay down for a while.
I dont really go to any type of opinion rankings at anytime. But they were the first site to pop up when googling it so thats that. The Titans have had a beyond bad oline for the last 5 years , and even though the Jets during that time werent as good there as they were in 2009-10 , they werent nearly as bad as the Titans were. Oline stats dont factor in the QB holding onto the ball for too long and taking a sack that he shouldn't have taken either. Too many things need to be considered when looking at o-line stats. How many times did one QB drop back compared to the other? Maybe one team had a better running game due to the RB and not the guys blocking. Just too much to factor in , but the fact that Mangold and Brick were on our oline then and they had nobody close to that level , is reason enough for me to say that the two teams werent very close in that area. As for Mettenberger , I didnt suggest getting rid of Petty for him , I suggested getting rid of Geno for him. But I also said that even if that happened it wouldn't be very good for us. We need Fitz back to have any chance at competing this year.
Reunited with Ken Whisenhunt in SD. Nice move by the Chargers he will continue to be developed but also be a capable backup if Rivers goes down.
