Lemme get this right,Chavez is on deck and he has Schneider bunting with a man on 1st? It doesn't take a Statjeff to figure out why this team is losing.....
you beleive in a team thats about to be 3 games under .500 and blew a 7.5 game lead w/17 games to go last season? this team now finds ways to lose instead of to win, not good
Wait, you mean that decisions like that can actually have an effect on the game? I've been hearing that since what managers do doesn't matter, Willie shouldn't be canned. The fact, of course, is that this team was supposed to win the World Series in 2006, and when that didn't happen it was all downhill from there. It is obvious that Minaya didn't know how to build a team that could win for more than 1 year, and Randolph doesn't know how to do the things that help a team that's not that good win enough of those 70-80 games per year that can go either way.
Yeah how could I forget... all Willie does is fill out the lineup card That's just sad but true.... I still blame Guillermo Mota for blowing that game was it 2 or 3. Nevertheless the Mets were dominating the series and that steroid using fuck killed it. Omar and Willie should be packing thier bags together for their lives as TV announcers....
Game 2, although it should be noted that Wagner didn't cover himself with glory two innings later either.
F*** this team. Trade ANYONE you can at this point. Fire Omar. Fire Willie. And start over. Whatever you can get for whomever you have, just do it. Open Citi Field with anyone but this bullS***. *keep Mr. Met.
I'd go even further back, our team hasn't been the same since Sanchez's taxi cab accident, our setup situation hasn't been as smooth ever since then, we traded away a hitter who made our lineup from balanced and lots of power to lefty heavy imbalance which led to fragile Alou and inconsistent Perez, more dependence on Heilman than any team should have. Ever since that moment, our team hasn't been the same.
that aren't many players on this team that I do like because of that entire series: Beltran - fuck you, take the bat off your shoulder,I hope you never win a world series; David Wright - thanks for the .150 BA in the post season, way to come up clutch, if you never sniff a world series I won't feel bad for you; Wagner - if you could hit the plate Heilman may not have been pitching at the end of game 7. Willie - Cliff Floyd isn't Kirk Gibson, dipshit.
Yup this is what it pretty much comes down to, only firing the manager will have no impact for the remainder of the season. At this point they just need to clean house and start over. Hold on to Wright, Reyes, Santana and Maine and get rid of anyone else they can. Unfortunately that leaves us with exactly one player, maybe two(Beltran & Wagner) that would bring back any kind of substantial return.
I don't think Beltran or Wagner would even bring anything THAT substantial. Mr. Met currently has more value. When I say trade ANYONE, I'm including everyone but Santana...and that's only because we just got him. That's just the anger talking right now of course. Obviously it's delusional to consider trading Wright and Reyes, but they really need to at least consider moving Wright to 1B next year and getting another 3B who doesn't play horror show defense. This team wreaks of Bonilla-esque standards right now. Oh look, here comes Jose Valentin. Great! Omar WON'T fire Willie. I think that after the collapse of last year, the Wilpons "might have possibly considered" firing Willie and Omar "perhaps" talked them out of it. "Perhaps" Omar even threw his own fate into the equation by saying if it doesn't work out in '08, you can fire me too. I hope this fantasy is really what went down behind the scenes because there is no way Willie should have survived last year otherwise. So now Omar, who has built an Isiah-like team, and Willie who has managed an Isiah-like team, are going to drive this thing into the ground together unless the players can find it in themselves to overachieve suddenly. Here comes The 'Stache! Whoo-Hoo! We're going to be saved! Starting last September, and continuing today, this has been one long fall from the "almost" of '06. But instead of it looking like a plane falling, it's like watching a balloon running out of air. Slowly. Painfully. Inevitably.
I think you guys are taking it too far when it comes to blowing the roster up. The lack of "heart and leadership" is just an overused cliche. This team this year was flawed from the start, first of all I am tired of people saying pitching wins championships because with a weak lineup you put too much pressure on the pitching staff. One reason why the Yankees make the playoffs every year is because of their strong lineup. We need a cleanup hitter because this team doesn't have one. Whether it is Adam Dunn or Mark Teixeira I want one of those bats on this team next year. And replace Alou with a much younger capable right handed bat to keep the balance since I don't think Fernando is ready yet. We can't do much about Castillo due to hideous contract so maybe we need to find someone to platoon with him. Our rotation has a lot of holes from 3 down I see nothing but useless, and at best Pelfrey is an cheap body, all we can do is go after best available FA if one is there or gamble on a young inconsistent prospect whether from our farm or trade for one. We have to get rid of Heilman for nothing else than to save my sanity and go after a setup man hard since that has been the thing that we are missing badly. Now even if we can most of the front office I doubt we can get everything but if we can get most of the pieces then we may be back to a good consistent team again.
It actually started last June - it was only the poor start of the Phillies last year that made the "collapse" look much more dramatic than it really was. Since June 1 of last year the Mets are 84-89, and the Phillies are 102-73. That's why any claims that people who want Willie and Omar gone are overreacting are ridiculous - there's no reason to think anything is going to get better with the current cast of characters.
I happened to hear Francesa and Russo on WFAN this afternoon, and all they talked about were the various ways to trade Reyes. Their position is that the team is built around him, so he's the one who has to go. I don't agree, but it is out there. Personally, I would not trade Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Santana, or Maine, and would not trade Wagner unless I got a top closer in return (or unless the intention is to rebuild for 3-4 years, which I would not support). Everyone else on the major league roster is IMO expendable, but they are also unlikely to bring anything back in return that would make a big difference.
I agree with you, we have Reyes for cheap, it would be retarded to trade him away, this team is old so it makes absolutely no sense to trade away one of our young players.
some people will say its not willies fault they cant hit or they cant do this, and thats true, but it is willies fault for sacraficing when the person's behind them cant hit, its willie fault for mis managing the bullpen, you've got to put some but not all of the blame of the callapse last season on willie, how can you not, and willie doesnt ph the right players at the right time, i guarantee you if showalter or fergosi was our manager, we would be 3 games over instead of under
Sad But True: Barry Bonds '07>entire '08 Mets (except Church-injured, Alou-usually injured) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=1785 Maybe Reyes and Wright have a higher BA (today) but he kills them with a .480 OBP. If we're going out, can't we at least go out in flames?
No way should we get Bonds. Let's have some integrity if we're going to suck. As for blowing the team up, I agree with the notion we should hold onto the core 5 or 6 guys, but that's it. We'll see I guess. Oh, and Alou's getting an MRI, he's hurt again. At what point is he not honoring his contract? Because he's not injured, he's just a pussy.
