The difference between us this year and last year is that our rotation this year is much better than it was last year 1 through 5 even with Maine's injury, we have enough starting pitching that even if we lose today we aren't out of it by any stretch, that and there is no way the Phillies are carrying this through Chicago. There have been too many of these types of games like this, this year that we have gone through. Although I will say that Santana is due for a win after all the games that we choked for him earlier.
Cant let Coste beat you with a sac fly. You PITCH to Bruntlett. He is TERRIBLE. I don't care if he tied the game. Get Bruntlett out, get Myers out, let Coste hit one to the wall and catch it to end the inning.
There are too many ways that Bruntlett could beat you even with an out especially with the speedy Victorino at 3rd. He doesn't even have to hit it in the air just a decent placed grounder would score the run. A slower player at 3rd and I see your point
There are no good options with a fast man on third and none out, so arguing over those choices seems to me to be pretty pointless. How about not giving up a leadoff triple? When five different pitchers pitch as poorly as they did for the Mets, I think the problem is pretty obvious. If Santana doesn't pitch a complete game tonight, they're probably screwed. Good news for the Marlins - the guy on the Braves who broke up a DP in the bottom of the 9th yesterday that would have ended the game as a Marlins win (Mark Kotsay) was just traded to the Red Sox.
Show against righties is always a disaster, as we saw. Once Victorino hit the triple the game was over but I agree that it would've been smarter to go after Bruntlett who is awful then trying to induce a DP from Coste who's OPSing 1.000 against lefties this year. I also think that the obvious gains made in the starting rotation aside from Santana and Pelfrey are sort of offset by the fact that Pedro is much worse then Glavine in the washed up old man spot in the rotation and that Maine last year was much better then this year. Not to mention that the bullpen is several orders of magnitude worse. I mean, every pen blows some games but I've never seen such sheer incompetence. How many times has a Met reliever come in this year and gotten NO ONE out? Making a bad pitch and giving up a bomb sucks but with these clowns its hit and walk after hit and walk. It's unreal.
The difference is that the washed up old man in Pedro is our #4 while Glavine as sad as it was was basically our "#1" in the position mindset, Maine's productions last year is slightly improved by Pelfrey, Ollie hasn't changed much and we actually have a body in Pedro instead of MIA El Duque which is automatically better, and even without seeing Niese he is probably better than who we brought up last year to be our #5. There isn't much offsetting at all, as for the bullpen they just decided to stink earlier, but the stink was very bad last year as well so there isn't much helping that.
Well if you want to go that route we should have just held on to a damn 7 run lead, basically we lost when everything was equal and it became a battle of the bullpens which we have no hope whatsoever of winning.
I think that's what I said - I said the problem was that 5 pitchers were bad, and Pedro was certainly 1 of the 5. Discussing who you pitch to with a man on 3rd and no one out in the 13th just strikes me as nitpicking. I happened to turn on the TV to the replay of the game on SNY about 1/2 hour ago, and it was the bottom of the 5th - the score was 7-1, the pitcher was leading off, and the count was 0-2 on him. It is outrageous that 15 minutes later the score was 7-5. Pedro gets A LOT of the blame for that loss.
Pedro has pitched 81 innings this year and he's stunk. Duque did break down at the end of August and get bombed his last couple starts and then not pitch down the stretch but he provided many more innings and much better performance then Pedro has this year. If you take out the last month which saw Duque's ERA rise .75 you've got 140 innings with an ERA of 3, which is of course excellent.
What's disgusting is that the team has lost 10 games this year when leading in the 9th inning. Imagine if it was only 5? Like 3rd said every team is going to blow games it's inevidable but that's only 10 in the 9th. I haven't seen for the 7th or 8th. I'd venture to guess that this team has lost at least 15 games when leading after the 7th.
I don't know about that. Where are you coming up with this stuff? You are just trolling Mets threads to piss off people. You seriously cannot say Glavine was better last year than Martinez this year.
I am talking about the end of the season not the earlier part of the year where the slow decline became a full collapse, better starting pitching and we may be able to hang on. When El Duque went down we were left with a large gaping hole in the rotation along with the terrible bullpen.
I'll say it too then. Pedro can at least strike people out, but he's getting hammered with the longball and his ERA is about a full run higher than Glavine's was. Glavine gave us a full season of mediocrity and Pedro's giving us about half a year of unmitigated suckitude.
If we cut this disgusting number in half we'd have a Cy Young candidate and would be competing for the best record in the NL with a large lead in the division.
Glavine gave the Mets 200 innings at about league average performance last year. No, he wasn't an ace and I never liked the guy but to stay Pedro this year has been better is ridiculous. If Pedro did pitch 200 innings this year he'd be on pace to give up about 45 home runs. He's pitching well below league average and frankly hasn't been an improvement over Figueroa who was pitching in his place while he was injured. About the end of last season you have to look at the whole year not just the end. Yeah, El Duque wasn't around and it left a hole in the rotation but his performance was part of the reason the Mets had a big lead to blow at the end of last year.
Yes, we all know about your hatred of Glavine, but this isn't even close - Glavine was clearly better last year than Martinez has been this year. Glavine's 2007: W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP 13 8 34 34 1 1 0 0 200.3 219 102 99 23 64 89 4 2 855 2 0 4.45 4.26 96 1.413 Martinez's 2008: 4 3 15 15 0 0 0 0 81.0 89 49 47 17 31 63 6 1 363 2 1 5.22 4.12 79 1.481 We have no idea what Pedro will do the rest of the year, but until the middle of September Glavine was the second best pitcher on the Mets - he had a 13-6 record with a 3.88 ERA. He shit the bed three straight times when it mattered, but Pedro has had 3 decent starts all year. I was hoping based on his two previous starts that Pedro would be a big contributor down the stretch, and maybe he still will be, but up until now, between injury and ineffectiveness he's just been bad.
Wow 22 blown saves is just stomach churning. Here is a telling stat from baseball reference, they have 12 losses when winning or being tied in the 9th inning but only 3 wins when trailing in the 9th. Surprisingly they actually have a better won/loss record in extra innings.
