Mel Kiper: Jets Will Improve in '13

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  1. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    HAHA yes that was a classic.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    The defense can certainly be worse if Revis is traded. Landry and Bell are gone, so who replaces them? Even though the perception was that all the LB's who were cut were awful, Scott was not that bad, and who will replace them? I also don't like the idea of Ellis being a full time player.

    As for O, I don't think they will miss Greene, but right now the OL (assuming Moore is gone) looks worse, Keller is gone (I was not a fan, but whether Cumberland is an upgrade remains to be seen), last Hill was seen he had a bad case of dropsies, and how well Holmes will be physically is somewhat up in the air. Fourth wideout is not set, either. But worst of all, if Sanchez is back as the starter, he can certainly get worse. A couple more butt fumbles can't be ruled out.

    Jets won six games last year. Arithmetic says they very much could do worse than that.
     
  3. ArmandJ

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    Well, of course math says that. If we won 12 games, we could very well do worse. However, in the practical view of things if Sanchez isn't starting, I honestly cannot imagine being 1-15 to 4-12 worse.

    The only person we'll miss on offense is Keller and maybe Moore. As for defense, we'll miss Landry and Revis. The rest of our free agents who left weren't exactly all world. Assuming we add younger guys who can play quality football through the draft, we're probably looking at a 7-9 season.
     
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    McKnight has 1 fumble in his career in regular season games rushing and I can only remember 2 or 3 during punt / kick returns in his 3 years on the Jets. WTF is this nonsense about him always fumbling? I've heard a few people mention this. Mcknight was one of the top return guys in the league last year. Can anyone find reliable stats on Mcknight's fumbles during KRs? Sites really don't like to list stats for that. I've been to 7 different stat sites now and can't find anything except that he had 2 in 2011.
     
  5. TNJet

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    I agree. Until we get a QB who can consistently hit the broad side of a barn, Hill gets a pass.
     
  6. xxedge72x

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    Hill got several passes last season that bounced off his chest.

    That said, the Jets never should have made him the two from the get go. They set him up to fail as well as Sanchez.

    Receivers typically take three seasons to really come into their own. Let the kid ride the 4/5 spot and work his way up the depth chart rather than anointing him.
     
  7. jilozzo

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    jets had to showcase him - he was their 2nd round pick.

    it couldn't have taken to long for them to realize they goofed on his selection (not the player but the spot he was drafted)

    he has some tools and who knows he could be one of those night and day players that come around during their second year.
     
  8. Big Blocker

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    Regarding the first bolded part, it is quite likely that Sanchez will be playing. Perhaps not all season, but unless Garrard both outplays him in camp, after not having played for two years, and goes on to have an injury free season, you can bet we will be seeing Muck taking snaps in games. So there's that.

    As for the second bolded part, when was the last time the Jets had a good draft? The Jets still have the same scouts, Terry Bradway, and Idzik is an unknown quantity running a draft. Assume away, but that does not mean you are right to do so.
     
  9. BomberJet

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    I liked Jeff Lageman, even though he was an unknown - he did become an everyday starter from day one - which cannot be said for many DE's picked in the first round. Jeff had a fine career with the Jets and Panthers.
     
  10. Jet Pac

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    Um dude. We're talking about when he touches the ball on offense. He fumbled 3 times in 2012 and 3 times in 2011. He only lost 1 and 2 respectively. It's all relative. Last year he fumbled the ball 3 times when only touching the ball 48 times (30 carries and 18 receptions). So that's a fumble per 16 touches. Say if he touched the ball 16 times a game, he would fumble every game and 16 times for the season.
     
  11. Jet Pac

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    To use Shonn Greene has a comparison. Greene had 124 touches (108 carries and 16 receptions) also with 3 fumbles. So Greene touched the ball 76 more times with the same amount of fumbles as McKnight.
     
  12. Hobbes3259

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    However, greene only had 16 receptions, on those touches. McKnight had 18 on 48.

    Theres the problem. A back thats no threat to catch out of the backfield.
     
  13. rico college

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    Mel is as clueless as ever........ Holmes will do nothing to help this offence. Our problem was and still is, Sanchez's slow release and unless there is a great QB in this draft (and there is not), our offence will be just as bad.


    The only thing I agree with, is the Jets need for a pass rusher at the 9 spot.

    He is way over hyping one of the weakest drafts when it comes to talent I have ever seen.
     
  14. Hobbes3259

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    The Jets can win the division, this year..,if they play defense.

    Our offense will be light years from last year.

    However...New England now...only has pass carchers that work the middle. Which plays into the way Rex plays defense. And Brady is not a QB that plays well outside, and down the field, hence Welkers production.

    On the Sanchez note..hes a good passer. Youre confusing routes with delivery.

    And thats one of the things Mohrinwheg takes away. Tic tic tic throw.
     
  15. AbdulSalam

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    Hilarious to see all the negative nellies on here. We had a lousy season w/lots of injuries, bad luck and some players that needed to be replaced. Looking forward to a good draft and a good off season followed by improvement on the field. In short, a nightmare scenario for the darksiders.
     
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    I'm not a big Holmes fan right now but we can't overlook how common it is for players to put out their A+ game when it's time to negotiate a new contract. Don't want Holmes here next season but I think he behaves himself & tries really hard to be productive.

    After he signs elsewhere, he'll bring the drama to his new team again.
     
  17. LAJet

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    Abdul, I'm with you on this.
    People are talking about tanking this year and be a worst team than ever.
    I'm amazed people think that way. Our offense could not possibly be worse than last year barring the same amount of injuries. The defense will be work in progress but once the dust settles with Revis and the draft we might be pleasantly surprised with a young, dynamic and fast playing D. Will they make mistakes? Of course, but the potential to grow together into a top D is there. People we lost this year were by the most part marginal contributors.
    I fully expect a more exiting team out in the field this year, keeping things close, winning six to eight games, and solidifying the core pieces for a great 2014 season
     
  18. Jet Pac

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    Right. I'm not praising Shonn Greene. Just proving the fact that McKnight has the tendency to fumble.
     
  19. Jet Pac

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    Granted we haven't had the draft yet, but I keep hearing that the offense can't get worse. Well how have we improved it? Maybe we got a better OC, but we lost slauson, moore, keller and greene. And only added Goodson. Holmes is coming back, but who knows how he will be after his injury, plus Sanchez is still slinging the rock.

    Also add that this years schedule is a lot harder.
     
  20. LongIslandBlitz

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    Im still hoping we draft Eddie Lacey in the second round, he will likely get taken early in the second so we might have to trade up to get him if we want him
     

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