Cornerback is the hardest position to judge talent. These guys have to be good in coverage, sure tacklers, smart to recognize routes, fades, zones and have to run as fast backwards as players run forward. Tough, tough position to find gems.
I agree to an extent. I judge OSU players to be bad fits for the Jets. They are a jinx. Mangold is the exception and the mold was broken after him. Everyone after him has been a huge B-U-S-T. So why risk it with so much on the line. Let someone else take that risk. Gholston, Gholston, Gholston!!!!!! Guess what spot he was taken at in the draft?
Gholston was an awful pick and I was preaching that shit from day one. WW and I both were actually. I wasn't a huge fan of Lee either but I think he will be serviceable in the near future. Hooker Is going to be a star in this league. He will be a major player for some team, I am extremely confident in that. If you watch his tape you would be in awe of how good he really is. It's extremely impressive. I honestly think he is top pick worthy. That's how good I think he is. I know I'm an OSU fan but I try to not be biased come draft time because my alliance to college football doesn't apply to the NFL. If I think someone isn't that good, I will call it. Lattimore is good but he isn't top 10 worthy IMO. Anyway, there will be elite players to be had when we pick, I don't care what program or which side if the ball they may be on as long as we draft a stud. All I care about. It's hard to fuck this pick up this year, this draft is that good. IMO
Well actually it's kind of "chicken or the egg" - a strong pass rush makes the secondary better; a strong secondary makes the pass rush better. That said, one great pass rusher can make the entire secondary better, but the same isn't true for DBs, even a Revis in his prime, although a great CB/FS WILL make a difference obviously, just not as much as a great pass rusher. But unless Garrett falls to us at #6, I think the Jets have to use that pick for a great "O" player, preferably Watson, or if not him, Fournette or Cook.
+ Infiniti I want a Petition signed and emailed Jet Drive if they dare concentrate on D Mac had Bowles in his ear the past 2 years but if he is smart he will wise up to that fool OL and Offense is the WTG or they blow!!
Of course you would want your college team players on your pro team. Two players I didn't want the Jets to draft last year was Lee and Hack and the Jets take them 1 & 2. I've seen plenty of drafts and its hard finding the right pieces for your team. There are gems to be found in every draft and I hope the Jets do well. I believe in Macc as a scouting type GM. Maybe he took too much input from Bowles with the Lee pick last year. Hopefully he takes control this year.
So you would rather take lesser players in this draft just because you want offensive players drafted? There is no good option at LT or C at the top of the first where we pick. Fournette is literally the only offensive player I think is worthy of a top 10 pick and I think he will be drafted before we pick at 6. Unless we trade up or down, I don't see us going offense in the first round this year without reaching severely.
Yes used to think that way too,,BPA Define "lesser vs greater players" Not easy..all subjective Top 10 pick?,,,no offense but DSmith(inactive} and Lee (rookie ranked last by PFF) were both early round selections So as someone else posted Belligenius has ignored Mel Kiper and gotten the Pats no less than 7 selections per draft,,,quantity good for him its good for me So I am hoping we trade our #6 for many players(tickets) in whats essentially a big lottery And yes lets gamble more on Offense...search for OL RB and TE
It's about taking the best players and building a talented roster. Great safety prospect can change a defense. Did you see how the Seahawks looked without Earl Thomas? I think we should address safety and edge rusher in the first 2 rounds. Plenty of CBs late in the draft, but I really want Desmond King.
Gotta disagree with you, bro. Unless your team is the Browns, it's not often you get a chance to draft a real difference maker/playmaker. When you do, and your team is as short on playmakers/difference makers as the Jets are, you gotta take him, not trade down. It's hard for me to say that, because I've been advocating for years that the Jets need to trade down and acquire additional picks due to all the missed picks and trade ups by Idzik and Tanny, but I now believe it's. I think getting a real playmaker on offense or defense in the first round plus a very good player in the second round would help the team more than trading down, acquiring and additional 3rd or 2nd round pick and then taking 2 very good and one good player. The only way I could see trading down being better is if the Jets were able to get Ramczyk and Watson in the 1st 2 rounds, and I don't see that happening. In addition, with Bowles being on the hot seat, he's gonna want to address all the defensive holes in a big way. I can easily see the 1st round pick going on an OLB or FS, and a CB in the 2nd round.
In my example I refer to the NE patriots not the Browns who have adopted this strategy Truth be told, we are not that far removed from being Cleveland anyway (big sigh) Personally speaking NC you should stick with what you have always advocated..trade down. I am sure you gave that some thought and for good reason. In addition I don't really see another L Williams falling to us at #6 If TB has a hot seat he should worry a little more intelligently ie his misCoaching, Offense, and Defense Plus get a OC who is not a laughing stock OLB FS and CB in first and second ,,,?? well that's depressing To use one of your more frequent expressions " ill be done with this Team"
On this we agree 100!. I'll be very disappointed if they don't get Watson or Fournette/Cook with that first pick, but regardless, they HAVE to pick the biggest difference-maker available at #6, then take the BPA that fits their most glaring need with their pick in the 2nd round. If they do that, the draft will be successful, and they can trade down or up or sideways at that point for all I care.
I can't disagree more. What Seattle has is a franchise QB something we are nowhere near getting. Did you watch the playoffs today. Please point out the team that played with a scrub QB? Can you even name the safety on Atlanta or Green Bay? This draft is loaded with secondary prospects so the Jets can wait. What we don't have is a way to score. Our roster is unbalance talent wise and that is because we have drafted defense in the first round the last 8 years straight. I hope Macc realizes that and corrects it. D. Lee looks like he was a Bowles pick and that should end with this draft because Bowles won't be around next year.
Not what Jets012 said or meant. You can say the very same thing about your pick for the Jets. You would rather have lesser talent and more importantly the wrong fit picked by the Jets. Lattimore is a one year starter and Hooker is not a massive need especially at #6. Being a OSU homer is admirable but those pieces are not needed by the Jets this year.
Seattle was done the moment they gave Wilson that contract. The loss of Earl Thomas this season as astronomical. Even so they didn't have a shot cause Wilson can't hide the worst line in the league. It's all about the money and the players you got. Timing is everything. The best qbs aren't hamstringing the cap.
Sorry, but you're wrong. FS is absolutely a need for the Jets this year, and a stud difference maker, Ed Reed-type FS is always a need. He would stop the long TDs,and would make whoever our CBs are better.
May Maybe he would, but would that "difference" be greater than the difference that a stud QB or RB or pass rusher makes? I don't think so, and you could get any one of those positions AND maybe still get a difference maker Safety or CB.
Yes, with everything equal, a QB or topflight RB can make a bigger impact on any defensive player short of a stud pass rusher. That said, if the Jets don't get the OL fixed, it won't matter if we take Fournette, Cook, or Watson, they probably won't stay healthy for long and won't make much of an impact. Another thing to consider is even if they do draft Watson, he may not even start immediately. He probably would, but not necessarily.
